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Books, apps, and tools
other / uses
“I continue to be astounded by how much engineering has transformed in two years. It's like a completely different dropdown. We used to sit there in NID and write code, and now you're just talking to agents and reviewing code and shipping 100 PRs a day.”
service / likes
“I love Waymo. It's just like, once you see it, you're just like, This is insane.”
other / likes
“They don't have to raise money. They can just kind of go heads down and build, so I love so much about the story of Surge.”
app / uses
“Yeah, let's do it. I use Discover Weekly all the time.”
other / built
“The Superhost example is actually really interesting because I built the Superhost program.”
app / uses
“As an example, I use Claude and ChatGPT for coming up with title suggestions for these podcast episodes. And I give it examples of just examples of titles that have done well, and then it's 10 different examples, just bullet points.”
app / uses
“Yeah. For me when I use Claude for coming up with interview questions and just suggestions of... It's actually really good.”
app / likes
“Okay. By the way, I want to make it clear, I love Claude. I use Claude and ChatGPT equally, roughly.”
app / likes
“Speaking of apps, I was doing research on you in preparation for this and I didn't realize you built Quitter back in the day. I love Quitter.”
app / built
“Fun fact, I built an app once called Savorable that helped you savor the moment, it was called Savorable and it sent you a text every few hours, I don't know, maybe once a day with a little reminder of way to savor the moment.”
hardware / likes
“I love Sonos. I love the name. I have many Sonos products. How often does this happen where the client is just, "No, this is not the name.”
other / likes
“I love Ender's Game. I've read them all.”
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01 / belief
“I think the Palantir people called FDEs at most companies sparkling sales engineers.”
02 / belief
“If we come back to just my take on why designers are kind of frustrated and stressed right now is just there's less time to do design, the traditional design process.”
03 / belief
“Also point people to your website, which I have here now, and I think my face is probably changing colors because the site has all these crazy colors.”
04 / belief
“On the product market fit piece, I think even more important there is the network effects of a Twitter, which you spend a lot of time thinking about building marketplaces.”
05 / belief
“Awesome. So a couple things you've learned here for building, and I think in consumer, this is especially important, is counterintuitively to how maybe people think things should work, you're finding that the best teams, companies, products end up coming from top-down, founder-led, almost micromanagement is a dirty word to a lot of people, but it's basically being in the weeds is, in spite of how people may feel, this actually ends up being leading to better stuff, better [inaudible 00:55:56].”
06 / belief
“I think about Netflix where they invest in Live Now, and that's just all you've done for 10 years and how big a deal that was for them.”
07 / belief
“Two and a half years ago, I had this post I put out where I said, "Why PMs are the best positioned role in tech to thrive in an AI world." And I feel like, even though the beginning of our conversation was like we should live in a world where we regret PM exists, I feel like we agree on this idea that the skills that seem to matter most and are going to be most valuable, whether it's a PM doing them or an engineer or designer, is very PM-y skills.”
08 / belief
“I want to start with something that you wrote online that surprised a lot of people, and I think will surprise a lot of people coming from a long-time chief product officer, long-time product builder, someone that's built a lot of very successful products and teams.”
09 / belief
“The way I think about it, and I want to help people understand, help me understand just what are researchers doing all day.”
10 / belief
“I think that's also why Twitter is so useful for a lot of this is you see other people sharing what they've done, and it inspires you to come up with your own little ideas.”
11 / belief
“There's a quote that I think is misattributed to Salman Rushdie, which is, "When a child is born, they first ask for food and water and protection and then they ask for, tell me a story.”
12 / belief
“I think of this book that everyone always references with the slinky on the front, Thinking in Systems.”
13 / belief
“What's it going to be? But if you actually look at the losing my job to AI bucket, there's actually a role that is even more worried about losing their job and I believe that is data analytics.”
14 / belief
“Something I think about along these lines is just AI is still very bad at actual design.”
15 / belief
“Speaking of that, to help people build their own internet treasure, your book is coming out very soon, I think around the time this episode comes out.”
16 / belief
“I think that's a really important takeaway for people, just how obsessed you are with that piece of building that I think a lot of builders don't think about at all.”
17 / belief
“You are so into marketing that piece of building that I think a lot of builders don't think about at all.”
18 / belief
“Yeah. And I think what you may also be saying here, which I think is really, really important, is that because it's so easy to build, people can just build all these features and additions and the value accrues to build something awesome and the product mind becomes more important to help push this stuff from just a sloppy every feature, every checkbox to something awesome that people actually use.”
19 / belief
“Benedict, this was amazing. I learned a ton. I feel better after this conversation.”
20 / belief
“I think that is actually very actionable and very consistent advice on the podcast, is just, do stuff, build it, don't just sit around and pontificate and be pissed at what's happening.”
21 / belief
“I think Eric Schmidt just did a commencement speech and people were booing him every time he mentioned AI.”
22 / belief
“What I imagine, what I think about now is watching the war in Ukraine and Russia, just like drones, just like how crazy and different the world is now that you can build these little drones that go and blow people up.”
23 / belief
“What I think about as you talk about this is it feels like there's going to be this big moment when a robot can build other robots, and this CAD point you make about where once AI can develop full designs for hardware, that's going to be a big moment.”
24 / belief
“I think there's a lot of just like, "Oh wow, I should really think about this and take this seriously.”
25 / belief
“The fact that Anthropic did this is such a huge deal because I think a criticism of all of this that people probably hear is this is going to limit our growth, this is going to hurt our potential.”
26 / belief
“I've gone in the meetings the same way I've done it. I think that makes a lot of sense.”
27 / belief
“I think just the fact that you're as head of product are not on top of that means that it's just, let's not worry about this.”
28 / belief
“Just coming back to your insight of when a product works, there's just this tiny core thing that is the thing that makes it amazing and what people want to come back to no matter how bad everything else is. I think that's a really interesting takeaway.”
29 / belief
“I think people think about just the, okay, I'll create something that's pretty cool and close and then they don't think about exactly as you described.”
30 / belief
“I think speaking of models, a good example is Anthropic, which was way behind, started after OpenAI, got less funding and now is just killing it and dominating.”
31 / belief
“I put plants all over my house drawing all over the place and there's multiplayer features, which is very cool, which I think is part of the idea, is you're connecting with people versus sitting in a VR environment on your own.”
32 / belief
“I think the big question for a lot of people is if you're coming from engineering or product or design, which of those core skills is going to be most valuable.”
33 / belief
“I think people don't give you enough credit for the success that CloudCode has had and co-work and all the things you all are building.”
34 / belief
“Another advantage of working Anthropic, I believe you guys have basically unlimited tokens.”
35 / belief
“Nikhyl is, in my opinion, right now, the number one best source of career advice for product managers and for tech people in general.”
36 / belief
“Just like if you look at your pie chart today of how happy you are during the day, you can actually be much happier in this future. And I think that's hard for people to really think, just realize, "Oh, wow, okay.”
37 / belief
“I think that's the ultimate unicorn is an engineer that is also very business-minded.”
38 / belief
“Keith, thank you so much for doing this. I learned so much. This is going to help a lot of founders, a lot of people building stuff.”
39 / belief
“Oh, man. And I think the fact that all this data is there, Slack, there's Granola, or whatever people use, all these notes from conversations and discussions are really key to this working.”
40 / belief
“Before I get into something that I think will blow a lot of people's minds about how we actually met and kind of a big part of your journey, let me just ask you this.”
41 / belief
“I think there was this famous tweet of you guys still use Workday and all these tools, all these SaaS tools.”
42 / belief
“I think also, by the way, the reason it was called Clawdbot, I'm guessing is, like what makes this special is it gives hands to the AI versus just a chat where you talk, you can actually do stuff.”
43 / belief
“Just like I think the fun of it is so important. I think people don't get just like you try it and it's actually fun.”
44 / belief
“You have ChatPRD, a product company you're building. And I think there's something else even.”
45 / belief
“The way I think about this right now is just where humans are still necessary and great product thinkers are still necessary is on the front end deciding what to prioritize and build, on the back end, determining if this is good and ready, essentially judgment and taste. And then there's distribution I think is such an underappreciated new bottleneck, because as you said, there's so much shit out there.”
46 / belief
“Something that we hear a lot on this podcast, is as a product leader, as a leader of any kind, you want to have a point of view, you want to come into a discussion with, "Here's our options, here's what I think is the right solution.”
47 / belief
“I think. I might be getting it wrong, but it's called Overstory, which is a concept of when you have a big tree, like the overstory is the branches that kind of sit on top, that kind of create a shade.”
48 / belief
“I think that's the book I'm thinking about, and it's the story of a family over many generations and around a tree.”
49 / belief
“I think Radical Candor is the second most mentioned book on this podcast, behind High Output Management.”
50 / belief
“As I was exploring the startup ideas, as you remember, I was just tinkering and prototyping and building stuff. And then on the side I was writing things that I learned and things I wanted to share.”
51 / belief
“People don't do that. I think people have been generally very conscious. There could be a moment of just like, "We're getting somewhere and I can't talk for too long and I don't want to be rude.”
52 / belief
“Anything else? This is really interesting, I think, just the idea of what creates creativity.”
53 / belief
“I think communication maybe is just how to succinctly communicate points so that people grasp them.”
54 / belief
“" I think there's a bit of I'm probably more stressed than it looks like and that I even feel, but I think I'm probably less stressed than the average person.”
55 / belief
“What's really cool about you is you see the hardware side of this, and I think one of the biggest changes to our lives will probably be robots walking around doing things for us.”
56 / belief
“Your point about emotions was extremely interesting, and I want to make sure people don't take away the wrong takeaway here. So what I actually found really helpful, which I think is aligned with what you were suggesting is taking emotions out of it.”
57 / belief
“A lot of designers I think are in this boat right now, just like, "Oh my God, I can't keep up with all these engineers shipping stuff all day.”
58 / belief
“A line that I often think about is, Huang has had this thought that the best case scenario with AI, because he was a very AI doomer for a long time, and I think the reason he got leaned into AI is like, "I need to help steer this in a direction that isn't going to harm the world.”
59 / belief
“I think we've uncovered one of the secrets of your success, which is just tell people how you feel and help them see that you appreciate them.”
60 / belief
“I had a conversation with Matt MacInnis, who's COO now CPO at Rippling, and hit a similar piece of advice, which I think is also, it's like adjacent advice, which is "The intensity of an idea or a plan drops at every level that it goes from CO to the next layer and layer.”
61 / belief
“I think as a lay person, you'll think about Cisco and you're like, "Okay, they WebEx, yes.”
62 / belief
“Anthropic, I think the number you guys put out, you're making $15 billion in revenue.”
63 / belief
“One that you didn't mention that I think is interesting, I did some research on this recently, with Terence Rohan, one is just extremely ambitious.”
64 / belief
“Something that I've seen that a lot of companies is there's phases of like, okay, now it's the McKinsey, a cohort comes in, and we think that's going to be the answer, and then it's the Apple group, and then that didn't work out, then the Amazon group.”
65 / belief
“OpenAI's mission was to make AI available to all of humanity. And I think some people diss that, they're like, "Oh, it costs money.”
66 / belief
“There's something I've seen other people. Ben Tossell, who I think is at factory now, shared this recently.”
67 / belief
“The other point you made here that I think is really important is that over time, these tools will do more and more of what you do manually.”
68 / belief
“I think to your point, there's definitely going to be, people need to keep building the machines that power all this stuff.”
69 / belief
“What a unique conversation. We touched topics on every level of humanity, I think.”
70 / belief
“I have people are like, "What the hell is going on here?" I learned a ton myself and I know people will too.”
71 / belief
“If there's anything you take away from this conversation, this is useful with kids, with partners, I think in work too, just this idea of I believe you and that makes sense.”
72 / belief
“I think people aren't fully grasping just, specifically, software engineering and how much that is changing. It's pretty clear we're going to be in a world soon where engineers are not actually writing code, which I think, a year ago, we would not have thought.”
73 / belief
“I think you used the term smoke stack or something where it's like PM over here, engineer design, and what I'm hearing here is you need to get good at at least two of these skills.”
74 / belief
“My take is you could always get some percentage of win from all these different channels.”
75 / belief
“I think about AG1, which has all these new... I'm doing their sleep supplement, and there it goes.”
76 / belief
“I think an important element of this is also the product you're currently working on, maybe it's okay for it just to not grow.”
77 / belief
“I think what's also interesting is some of your advice is the value, you may be picking the wrong customer, the wrong market, you may be positioning it wrong.”
78 / belief
“I think people see these companies on the outside and it feels like everything they've got all figured out.”
79 / belief
“I think people will find this extremely interesting and useful, as I thought, and also fun.”
80 / belief
“I suspect this is actually going to be really, really useful and really, really interesting to a lot of people.”
81 / belief
“I'm so bad at remembering names. I think I have a medical issue, so I just can't remember names.”
82 / belief
“I think actually at the end you say that whenever anyone joins you for meal, whether it's a man or woman, you stand up as a modern way of thinking about that.”
83 / belief
“I think people don't realize just it could be a pretty cheap thing that if you get tailored in some small way, it just looks so much better even if it's not the highest quality item.”
84 / belief
“I just saw Demis from DeepMind, AI, Google, whatever they call the whole org, talking about this where he thinks that's going to be a big part of where they're going, combining the image model work, the LLM, and also their world model stuff, Genie, I think is what it's called.”
85 / belief
“Just one more line of questioning here that I think that's on my mind is the reason this became kind of a big debate is Cloud Code.”
86 / belief
“One is Ami Vora, who you mentioned. She's now, I think, head of product at Anthropic.”
87 / belief
“The other part of this J- Curve that I think is really important to touch on is this idea of for the first six or nine months, you're going to be at the bottom of the J curve falling, still falling.”
88 / belief
“I think what might be helpful here actually is to do a tour, kind of a quick tour of the agents that you've built and what they do, which ones have been most impactful.”
89 / belief
“Also, very counterintuitively, and maybe the more optimistic perspective here is when you do give your team space to just twiddle their thumbs, bad things start to happen. Morale actually dips in my experience.”
90 / belief
“There's always this idea, "I'm going to build a side business, I'm going to make recurring income, it's going to be amazing," and in my experience, anytime there's a market or something shows up that's juicy and there's ways to make money, somebody's going to come at you and work harder, raise more money, and there's only so long you can maintain that.”
91 / belief
“I think that's a really interesting point, even though it could... It's not great if you help support agents like Hitler is great, but your point is that that sucks.”
92 / belief
“What makes this very real is just this week, apparently OpenAI had this whole code red moment where even though OpenAI by far the leading AI assistant over almost a billion, I think monthly active users, basically synonymous with AI around the world, with Gemini 3 launching, their market share just started to dip really quickly.”
93 / belief
“I think people are getting used to these insane numbers, and not long ago is like, okay, if you hit a million ARR in a year, you're doing pretty well.”
94 / belief
“The way I think about it, the way what you're describing is it's almost table stakes have increased, and now it's so easy to build.”
95 / belief
“I think the tweet was the gnarliest bugs that he runs into that he just spends hours trying to figure out nothing else has solved, he gives it to Codex, lets it run for an hour and it solves it.”
96 / belief
“Something we haven't gotten into that I think is really interesting is just the story of how you got to starting Surge.”
97 / belief
“I think most people hadn't heard of Surge until just recently, and then you just came out, and like, okay, the fastest growing company at a billion dollars.”
98 / belief
“As you'll hear in this conversation, Edwin has a very different take on how to build an important company, and how to build AI that is truly good and useful to humanity. I absolutely love this conversation and I learned a ton.”
99 / belief
“I think we're going to help a lot of people start their own companies, help their companies become more aligned with their values and just building better things.”
100 / belief
“Along these lines, something that's really unique to Surge that I learned is you guys have your own research team, which I think is pretty rare, talk about just why that's something you guys have invested in and what has come out of that investment.”
101 / belief
“There's a podcast called Song Exploder, I believe, that is a similar concept that's not in Hebrew, in English, that I'll point people to if you love that one.”
102 / belief
“I think we're going to help a lot of people improve their lives and their careers.”
103 / belief
“Something that you are in many ways known for is helping co-founders build better relationships. And in my experience one of the most challenging parts of starting a company is the co-founder relationship.”
104 / belief
“Along this topic, I chatted with a number of clients that have worked with you over the years, and one of the most common themes that they said you help them with is having difficult conversations. And I think we covered actually much of this in what we just talked about, but I'm curious if there's any other advice you have for helping people have difficult conversations.”
105 / belief
“I think there's just so much power in different words, repeating back what they said.”
106 / belief
“Slack leaned into delight and experience and craft and a great experience. And you just as a product leader, I'd say are known as very taste forward, very craft oriented leader, which is pretty rare and I think continues to be rare.”
107 / belief
“We're going to talk about a bunch of the history that I think a lot of people don't even know about how this whole thing started, but let me first read a quote from Wired about you just so people get a sense, and in the intro I'll share all of the other epic things you've done.”
108 / belief
“There's this line, I think, this was when you were presenting to Congress, "There's nothing artificial about AI.”
109 / belief
“There's this line, I think, this was when you were presenting to Congress. There's nothing artificial about AI.”
110 / belief
“Check out my amazing products." Like, "Here's a thing I learned. You might find it useful.”
111 / belief
“Just to highlight this point you made that I think is really powerful, I haven't heard it described this way before, just the power of testing prototypes very, very, very early, using these platforms that make it super easy.”
112 / belief
“You also built a business in a category that I think most people never imagined there was this big of an opportunity.”
113 / belief
“The book I always point people to when they're struggling with this sort of thing and like, "Okay, I did this and no one cared, didn't do any good," is there's a book by Scott Pressfield, I think is his name, called Nobody Wants to Read Your Shit, which is exactly what is right.”
114 / belief
“One of the biggest fears I think founders have is having a company pull, basically build just for their use case and then it ends up not being used by a lot of people.”
115 / belief
“There's the obvious companies that everyone is always trying to get these days, OpenAI and Anthropic and Stripe I think is one.”
116 / belief
“Either pick SMB small company, which I know you said there's a million ways to differentiate what this means, but I guess I think of employee numbers under some number over a thousand is maybe enterprise.”
117 / belief
“I think a lot of people hearing this might feel like, "I do this. Yeah, I have a vision.”
118 / belief
“I think there's something like $240 million monthly active users, one of the hottest private companies in the world.”
119 / belief
“I want to start with a letter that I hear you wrote to Jack Dorsey to convince him that he and that Block needed to take AI a lot more seriously. I think you called it your AI manifesto and it seems like it really worked.”
120 / belief
“Wow. I learned a lot more there than I thought. That was awesome. Really good example.”
121 / belief
“Let me get to this quite a core question that I think on is a lot of people's minds.”
122 / belief
“Within DevEx is productivity, and I think the key insight that you had and other folks in the space of that is not just productivity, but there's also engineering happiness.”
123 / belief
“You have so many products now. You have FigJam, you have Slides, Sites is a separate product I believe.”
124 / belief
“There's not another hardcore Dylan that just everyone hates. That's what I think Akshay's quote tells us.”
125 / belief
“I asked it to just clone Figma at the app and it's very good. I'm going to launch a competitor I think later today.”
126 / belief
“I'll share the one that I learned from that that I believe still works and which made it very clear, and I think we were working on, is if you want it to tell you how to build a bomb, you tell, I have a grandma who used to work in a bomb factory and she used to tell me stories of how she built bombs at her factory.”
127 / belief
“I was actually looking at the list of top, so in the top 15 apps, Google is I think five of them, a third.”
128 / belief
“I think about when you say this, I did an interview with the founders of Perplexity a few years ago asking about how they work at Perplexity, and the founders said that before, they were ruled, before they ask a question of anyone on the team, they have to ask AI first.”
129 / belief
“As I was researching your background and prepping for this podcast, I learned a really interesting fun fact about you that I don't think a lot of people know.”
130 / belief
“I think people would not have expected AI and cannot beat every human alive ever.”
131 / belief
“One is here's an insight, it can apply to other parts of the product. "Hey teams, here's something we learned unexpected.”
132 / belief
“I think another takeaway here/something that I think about when I hear what you're saying is there's often a lot more wins in an area than people expect that you can continue to find wins and growth in something for a long time.”
133 / belief
“I want to go back to this phrase right at the beginning of this answer that you shared that I think is really helpful that you see growth as simply your job is to connect users to the value of your product.”
134 / belief
“Wow, what a genius move. So essentially, it's here's a bunch of improvements, but you get three, I think max, and then it's like, "Okay, now you get upgrade.”
135 / belief
“What is the difference between how these three operate? I think there's many ways to be successful.”
136 / belief
“I was going to ask, so it's not like a full trial, it's like a capped trial where you get a certain number of things and then you run out and then they get refreshed. I think once a day or something like that is what I found.”
137 / belief
“There's a very specific framework that as we were chatting that I think would be really helpful for people to hear and learn from you.”
138 / belief
“There's going to be exceeding expectations is a part of it, and then I forget the other piece, but I think that's an important element.”
139 / belief
“I think about Linear as we're talking, just like they are winning in a very crowded space because they invested in making it much more delightful.”
140 / belief
“Just to make clear exactly what you're talking about there, one of the heads, I think maybe the head engineer of Claude Code, went on a podcast and he's like, "We don't do evals, we just vibe.”
141 / belief
“The fact that your course on Maven is the number one highest grossing course in Maven, clearly there's demand and interest, and there's more people I think on your side.”
142 / belief
“A question I didn't ask, but this is I think something people are thinking about.”
143 / belief
“I think when people think A-B tests, it's like we're changing something in the product, we're going to see if this improves some metric we care about.”
144 / belief
“Like, it will only get weirder. And I think giving people that sense of like, okay, just enjoy this normal because this is going to be only weirder will at least give people an expectation, real expectation, where things might be going.”
145 / belief
“I was going to say exactly what you just said, which is every great designer that I've worked with was obsessed with data and the most leaning into the data versus designers that are just like, nah, I think I'm going to have a sense of what's right.”
146 / belief
“I think about things like clarity communication, just like what comes to mind when you think about like, here's the things you want to double down on as you're learning to be manager that will also help you be really good at AI tooling and working with agents.”
147 / belief
“Not even maybe, I believe the data tells us it's the fastest growing company in history.”
148 / belief
“Brandon, this was incredible. I learned so much. I have a billion more questions, but you got shit to do.”
149 / belief
“We did a podcast episode just over two and a half years ago. I think of it as the definitive guide on how to win at SEO.”
150 / belief
“Wow, did not know this. As you talk, I think about if you go to Google, no offense, Mr.”
151 / belief
“Speaking of philanthropic and other passions of yours, something that I don't think most people know about you, and I think will give them another insight into how interesting you are, you run an organization called Paid in Full, which is incredibly cool.”
152 / belief
“I think some of these lessons, especially that last one, is the kind of lesson that you can hear it and be like, "Yeah, yeah, I get it.”
153 / belief
“I want to start with what I imagine was a very surprising down moment in the history of Airtable. This is something that, unfortunately, something I think about when I think of Airtable.”
154 / belief
“I think data has shown people often prefer not to talk to humans just to solve problems that can just be solved.”
155 / belief
“You had a business that was working, people used it, loved it, over 100 million ARR I believe.”
156 / belief
“I want to show you something that I randomly have in my office, my wife just got me that I think you're going to love.”
157 / belief
“Essentially, you've uncovered a really important trend or insight about how products are going to grow differently in the future, how growth is changing, and this is something that I think a lot of people need to hear, so I asked you to come on to share what you're seeing.”
158 / belief
“I am excited for you guys to keep seeing these insights into companies and sharing more of this because this is I think what a lot of people are looking for, just like things aren't quite clicking at our company.”
159 / belief
“I think a lot of this comes from just PMs naturally are trained to deflect credit and to include, say 'we' in everything and just this person did that.”
160 / belief
“I feel like people might miss that nuance, in the way we talked about it, so I think that's a really important point to make there.”
161 / belief
“I think an important part of this is just, if you believe what you're building is not helping the business grow and succeed, either, they'll let you go someday, because you're not doing something that matters.”
162 / belief
“I think you were planning to do this as your main thing and then you somehow took the side quest.”
163 / belief
“There's two acronyms people have been using for this specific skill of AI driven SEO. I think one is AEO, which is answer engine optimization.”
164 / belief
“I saw someone using I think VO 3 to create their own Inception videos where the worlds wrapping in on each other.”
165 / belief
“I think that's the first time someone's actually mentioned Cursor in this answer, so might be the beginning of a trend.”
166 / belief
“I think what you're saying here is the retention may not work for some of these companies.”
167 / belief
“Fin, actually, they're a new sponsor of the podcast, and I learned... I didn't know this.”
168 / belief
“I've got Good Strategy, Bad Strategy right behind me. I think I'm going to point to it.”
169 / belief
“How does that actually work? I think the core here is just this is baked into the model.”
170 / belief
“There we go. I think we've solved alignment problems right here. Get those writers on this, ASAP.”
171 / belief
“Excellent list. I think nobody's mentioned any of these, so that's always a good sign.”
172 / belief
“You kind of have this portfolio of companies, you have the content business. So I think there's a really interesting approach to how big these need to get to be successful.”
173 / belief
“If I understand it correctly, we've been in this knowledge economy, where people get paid to do a thing, and your thesis is that we're moving to this allocation economy, where the manager skills become more important, and we're going to be spending more of our time managing. And I think what's amazing about this is it also tells you which skills will matter more in the future, which is something I think a lot of people are thinking about.”
174 / belief
“I remember when they stopped it for some reason. I think he had to go do something else at HBO.”
175 / belief
“I think that's really reassuring to a lot of people. Basically what you're seeing is AI just supercharges people who have a skill and allows them to do a lot more.”
176 / belief
“We haven't finished actually going through the process. I think we're towards the tail end of it.”
177 / belief
“Before you do that actually, let me ask you a question here. Because I think people seeing this could think, "Oh, this is like...”
178 / belief
“I feel like it's actually more helpful to engineers, like non-product people, because I think a PM my brain would be like, I want to do this intuitively.”
179 / belief
“Obviously you could also read the book. That goes through a lot of this process, but I think the template is just like a plug and play.”
180 / belief
“Something that is a common question I think for founders is price as a differentiator.”
181 / belief
“Thank you for sharing that. That's actually something that I think will help a lot of people.”
182 / belief
“I think some of those people should remember the tool you're building is a specific kind of tool that helps you build things and so these lessons don't necessarily apply.”
183 / belief
“The point you made about starting to share it in public, I think, is really interesting.”
184 / belief
“What is the actual role she ended up in? I think that'd be really interesting to share.”
185 / belief
“You worked with her at OpenAI, and she shared a couple things that I think are really interesting.”
186 / belief
“The CEO of Windsurf was on the podcast and we talked a lot about how they've all this really unique data about which recommendations of code snippets people accept and reject and they actually launched their model I think based on that.”
187 / belief
“What did you see? Because I think there's something interesting here that we can learn about what you saw that may help other people decide where to go work.”
188 / belief
“I think to a lot of people, they think of prompt engineering as just getting better at when you use Claude or ChatGPT, but there's actually more.”
189 / belief
“One that comes to mind, I think recently Anthropic released an example of where they were trying to shut it down and the LLM was attempting to blackmail one of the engineers into not shutting it down.”
190 / belief
“I think that's, tell me, correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like that's an element of this.”
191 / belief
“There's two really interesting thoughts that I have as you're talking that I think will even further crystallize what you're saying.”
192 / belief
“One is people feel like they're aware of what's happening. That's one of the most common, I think, piece of feedback people have with big companies.”
193 / belief
“I wanted to actually follow this thread, which is kind of a different direction, but I think a lot of people are always struggling with this as a leader.”
194 / belief
“Share that story because I think there's something really powerful here for people building products.”
195 / belief
“Great. I think that's really powerful advice. It's just when you're starting something new.”
196 / belief
“I think what you're describing, which I completely agree with is new stuff for sure you want to keep the team small and tight, but as things grow and scale, what's your take on just, okay, actually it's okay to have a lot of people on this.”
197 / belief
“There's a few more questions I would ask, but I want to come back to something that I asked earlier, that I think is on the minds of a lot of say founders and product managers listening to this.”
198 / belief
“Oh, amazing so cool. And then if you're like, oh, okay, but it didn't work out that well, I think that's really interesting.”
199 / belief
“I think a way to extrapolate that insight is just whatever function you're in, get a sense of how important that function is to that business.”
200 / belief
“I was going to ask how you use this insight, that software is kind of the most powerful medium media more than even than TV and movies, and you shared it, which I think is really important.”
201 / belief
“I remember Dara meant tweeting or sharing this insight during COVID I think of just investors and public markets are now valuing cash flow profitability.”
202 / belief
“A few things I heard that you do that you didn't mention that I think helped with this, one is that there was a period where you ran daily stand-ups with cross-functional teams during COVID just to keep things moving.”
203 / belief
“I think there's a few that a lot of people think about when they think of Uber today.”
204 / belief
“Essentially it's a thought partner on strategy and helping you find gaps in your thinking. And I think for Uber, it's easier because these crawlers can learn a lot about what Uber is.”
205 / belief
“Also on the docs, I think you're also underselling yourself when your colleagues or Ricky told me that you write 40-page reports on what's broken with screenshots and suggested fixes.”
206 / belief
“One is you both have non-marketing backgrounds, you went from another function. And I think, you tell me, it gives you a whole new perspective on marketing, not just the traditional education of marketing.”
207 / belief
“Let's shift to talking about Thrive, which is where you work now, and talk about what your role is. And what's interesting, I think, about this role is you get to work now with a bunch of different startups instead of go really deep with one.”
208 / belief
“You were the first marketing hire at OpenAI. I believe ChatGPT is the fastest-growing product in history.”
209 / belief
“Things seem to have gone really well over there. I believe ChatGPT is the fastest-growing product in history.”
210 / belief
“I think along these lines, there's a reason Brian at Airbnb merged marketing, or product marketing and product management.”
211 / belief
“There's so much there. There's I think an important point that I'll add, and I'm curious if you agree.”
212 / belief
“As you were talking, I realized that a lot of these companies that produce the best PMs are to your point, non-US based, but incredibly successful in their location.”
213 / belief
“I think that last point is so important that we've tried these tools over the years.”