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From ChatGPT to Instagram to Uber: The quiet architect behind the world’s most popular products | Peter Deng

22 Jun 2025 33 published claims 3 attributable people

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01 / recommendation

Recommends Sapiens. Recommends The Design of Everyday Things. Recommends The Silk Roads.

“This is easy for me. Number one is Sapiens. If you're a product person, you have to understand our own humanity if you want to build products for people, straight up. That's a beautiful book. I read it before it was called Sapiens, it was called From Animals to Gods, and it was just republished in a different name, but it has really stuck with me and I remember, it's a very short, easy read, so I'd recommend that. The second book I think for product folks is a classic one, which is The Design of Everyday Things by Don Norman. This may seem outdated and old, but I promise you it's not. It really helps you understand physical product design, which is again, things that mold and shape to humanity. I think it gives you a good sense of that. Third book is something I'm reading right now it was recommended by a friend of mine and I can't put it down. It's called The Silk Roads by Peter Frankopan. And basically this is a recounting of history through the lens of The Silk Road and the Middle East and how that's evolved. It's so fascinating because one of the things I love, Lenny, is seeing things from different perspectives. This is why travel's fun, this is why user research is fun for me, and it really helps you see the events of world history that we've all been experiencing through a very western viewpoint in a different way. And it kind of connects a bunch of things that are like, there's Western thought, there's Eastern thought, but if you see the connection between them, it's super fascinating. I'm only two, three or maybe four chapters in, but definitely something I would recommend off the bat.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

03 / belief

At age nine he could think about that, whereas being at age nine, I was playing with Legos and maybe QBasic. And so this idea of how young human's brains will evolve because of this new tool we have is going to change the way I think we're going to do education.

“At age nine he could think about that, whereas being at age nine, I was playing with Legos and maybe QBasic. And so this idea of how young human's brains will evolve because of this new tool we have is going to change the way I think we're going to do education.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

04 / uncertainty

In fact, that's kind of the basis of all the stuff that we're seeing today. And it seems so obvious today, but I don't know, maybe in 10 years, 15 years when we look back, it's like, "Of course it made sense that we have this super intelligent thinking machine.

“In fact, that's kind of the basis of all the stuff that we're seeing today. And it seems so obvious today, but I don't know, maybe in 10 years, 15 years when we look back, it's like, "Of course it made sense that we have this super intelligent thinking machine.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

06 / belief

There's some companies I've invested in that aren't public yet that have their own take on that, which is really interesting to be able to take whatever activity is in their product to get smarter at the thing that they are doing, again, which is why I think the data flywheel and the workflow goes so hand in hand together, because if you are solving something actually valuable for businesses, for people, and there's a lot of that attention that's being paid to, a lot of work is being done through it, you're going to have that edge.

“There's some companies I've invested in that aren't public yet that have their own take on that, which is really interesting to be able to take whatever activity is in their product to get smarter at the thing that they are doing, again, which is why I think the data flywheel and the workflow goes so hand in hand together, because if you are solving something actually valuable for businesses, for people, and there's a lot of that attention that's being paid to, a lot of work is being done through it, you're going to have that edge.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

10 / belief

I think that the reason why growth team is the advice I would go with rather than to build an analytics team is because if you build an analytics team or a data science team, it's possible that no one's going to listen to them.

“I think that the reason why growth team is the advice I would go with rather than to build an analytics team is because if you build an analytics team or a data science team, it's possible that no one's going to listen to them.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

11 / observation

If you take a look at, there was a lot of a fear of AI just when ChatGPT came out, but when you start to get familiar with it things, that kind of things change and then you are able to evolve from being fearful to familiar and to go all the way to having this mastery of this thing of like, "Oh my goodness, look at all the startups that are happening now.

“If you take a look at, there was a lot of a fear of AI just when ChatGPT came out, but when you start to get familiar with it things, that kind of things change and then you are able to evolve from being fearful to familiar and to go all the way to having this mastery of this thing of like, "Oh my goodness, look at all the startups that are happening now.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

12 / belief

I grew up speaking Chinese and I think that there's a lot of things of just the Chinese language that I feel like I noticed, I thought differently when I learned English.

“I grew up speaking Chinese and I think that there's a lot of things of just the Chinese language that I feel like I noticed, I thought differently when I learned English.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

13 / belief

I think we should jump right in because I feel like you've extracted every little ounce of what wisdom I had here and you did a great job here just helping me remember these stories and recounting stuff, so I'm ready to jump in.

“I think we should jump right in because I feel like you've extracted every little ounce of what wisdom I had here and you did a great job here just helping me remember these stories and recounting stuff, so I'm ready to jump in.”
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Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

15 / belief

I'm just going to go with Granola because I think that we talked about this before, but this has been a superpower for me and I have a lot of commute time now.

“I'm just going to go with Granola because I think that we talked about this before, but this has been a superpower for me and I have a lot of commute time now.”
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Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

16 / belief

The CEO of Windsurf was on the podcast and we talked a lot about how they've all this really unique data about which recommendations of code snippets people accept and reject and they actually launched their model I think based on that.

“The CEO of Windsurf was on the podcast and we talked a lot about how they've all this really unique data about which recommendations of code snippets people accept and reject and they actually launched their model I think based on that.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

17 / belief

I guess the last thing I would say is I want to make sure that sometimes in the pursuit of numbers, product folks lose sight of the importance of taste and craft.

“I guess the last thing I would say is I want to make sure that sometimes in the pursuit of numbers, product folks lose sight of the importance of taste and craft.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

18 / belief

What did you see? Because I think there's something interesting here that we can learn about what you saw that may help other people decide where to go work.

“What did you see? Because I think there's something interesting here that we can learn about what you saw that may help other people decide where to go work.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

19 / uncertainty

I mean, I don't know if it's a secret or not, I got lucky and I was able to have opportunities to learn different things and different skills, and that served me quite well. And regardless of any outcome, I would say that's just a great way to live your life personally is just to optimize for learning and those experiences and for me, moving to Facebook was that I saw so much learning that could have happened and it ultimately did happen.

“I mean, I don't know if it's a secret or not, I got lucky and I was able to have opportunities to learn different things and different skills, and that served me quite well. And regardless of any outcome, I would say that's just a great way to live your life personally is just to optimize for learning and those experiences and for me, moving to Facebook was that I saw so much learning that could have happened and it ultimately did happen.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

21 / belief

I think that's one thing. But yeah, I think that data flywheel thing is really interesting because the models will get really good at whatever data you show it, and that's one of the things that people just think that AI is such a magic wand.

“I think that's one thing. But yeah, I think that data flywheel thing is really interesting because the models will get really good at whatever data you show it, and that's one of the things that people just think that AI is such a magic wand.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

22 / evaluation

All that to say, I feel like you've seen a lot of what works and doesn't work, building from idea from zero essentially to one to scale.

“All that to say, I feel like you've seen a lot of what works and doesn't work, building from idea from zero essentially to one to scale.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

25 / preference

I love ChatGPT so much, and the way the model comes off, and the vibe of the model, is largely because of this technical plus taste role that she has created and she's leading.

“I love ChatGPT so much, and the way the model comes off, and the vibe of the model, is largely because of this technical plus taste role that she has created and she's leading.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

26 / evaluation

I often say that the best product people are not the people on Twitter and LinkedIn sharing advice, but the people who don't have time to do that because they're too busy doing the work.

“I often say that the best product people are not the people on Twitter and LinkedIn sharing advice, but the people who don't have time to do that because they're too busy doing the work.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

27 / evaluation

It was almost like how do we build technologies and products that actually augment our fundamental desire to stay connected? And this goes back to why I think the power of wars is so important is because you take a look at some of the mission statements for Friendster or MySpace, I don't even know if they had mission statements or what they were, they were kind of vapid and they didn't really speak to the fundamental humanity of what Facebook was striving to build and that just deeply resonated with me.

“It was almost like how do we build technologies and products that actually augment our fundamental desire to stay connected? And this goes back to why I think the power of wars is so important is because you take a look at some of the mission statements for Friendster or MySpace, I don't even know if they had mission statements or what they were, they were kind of vapid and they didn't really speak to the fundamental humanity of what Facebook was striving to build and that just deeply resonated with me.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

28 / evaluation

" They have these little edges, set it down just right, and they've really figured out a way to really make it so delightful that it's like, "Yeah, I will install this piece of software. Yes, 100% I will talk to my friends about this because it is so life-changing.

“" They have these little edges, set it down just right, and they've really figured out a way to really make it so delightful that it's like, "Yeah, I will install this piece of software. Yes, 100% I will talk to my friends about this because it is so life-changing.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

29 / evaluation

In building the Newsfeed, the current version that we have today, it really hasn't changed much from the time that we built it, I don't even know, it was like 12 years ago or something, I don't know the reason why it hasn't changed much. But I like to think that it's because we put a lot of time and craft into thinking about the whole sharing loop and what are the key pieces of it and how is it architected, what's the information architecture, and what does that whole flow look like, how does it go from posting something at the top of the page to showing up in the newsfeed to someone clicking like and then that notifications thing lighting up red and then that repeating over and over again.

“In building the Newsfeed, the current version that we have today, it really hasn't changed much from the time that we built it, I don't even know, it was like 12 years ago or something, I don't know the reason why it hasn't changed much. But I like to think that it's because we put a lot of time and craft into thinking about the whole sharing loop and what are the key pieces of it and how is it architected, what's the information architecture, and what does that whole flow look like, how does it go from posting something at the top of the page to showing up in the newsfeed to someone clicking like and then that notifications thing lighting up red and then that repeating over and over again.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

30 / preference

Number one is empathize, two is to define, three is to ideate, four is a prototype, and five is to test. And what I love about this framework, and I really hope this doesn't get lost because I don't know how much it's being preached nowadays in design thinking is that it has the right words associated with it.

“Number one is empathize, two is to define, three is to ideate, four is a prototype, and five is to test. And what I love about this framework, and I really hope this doesn't get lost because I don't know how much it's being preached nowadays in design thinking is that it has the right words associated with it.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

31 / prediction

Very shortly, I think that the product experience will start mattering, because how long does that technological advantage last before humans wisen up to be like, "Well, this is not the product I want to use.

“Very shortly, I think that the product experience will start mattering, because how long does that technological advantage last before humans wisen up to be like, "Well, this is not the product I want to use.”
Speaker
Peter Deng
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast
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