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Peter Deng: belief

22 Jun 2025 Lenny's Podcast From ChatGPT to Instagram to Uber: The quiet architect behind the world’s most popular products | Peter Deng

“At age nine he could think about that, whereas being at age nine, I was playing with Legos and maybe QBasic. And so this idea of how young human's brains will evolve because of this new tool we have is going to change the way I think we're going to do education.”

— Peter Deng

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Peter Deng
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22 Jun 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Well, let me follow this AI thread a little bit more and then we can move on to other things. I feel like every conversation, there's a time to AI conversation and then it's like, okay, there's other things that also matter. So, let me ask you this, the question, what's one specific thing you think will change in a big way with AI that people don't think enough about? I think education is going to change in a big way. And I think a lot about this because I'm involved in my kid's school quite a bit, and that's something I've done after I left OpenAI. And what's fascinating to me is that watching my son who got to dog food, a bunch of the OpenAI stuff before it was public, I think I can safely say that, that seems okay. And when he was playing with ChatGPT and some of the latest models and he was nine at the time, I can already see his brain rewiring. He was starting to ask questions and he never heard the word prompt before, but he's like, just this is how awesome the human mind is, because he was exposed to this technology at an early age, some things just are unlocked. And I think that you're able to think differently. And I'll give you a specific example of what I mean here. He goes to Python class and he's coding. Now, I don't actually think he's going to have to code when he grows up. I think that's going to be a solved problem. But it's a very valuable skill because I think learning to program is learning how to think in a structured way, in a systematic way. And he was prompting ChatGPT with some really crazy things that I never even thought of. And one of the things was, "Hey, ChatGPT, can you give me a sentence that has every letter in the alphabet along the theme of oceans or along the theme of space?" And the reason this kind of blew my mind is because in traditional programming you couldn't write that program. You can't say in Python like, "Oh, write a function that goes and formulate." I mean, it's a really difficult function to write. But for him to be able to think of that prompt, which is really cool because he built a custom GPT that you can type in any topic and it would give you a sentence that had every letter of the English alphabet, kind of like the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. Isn't that mind-blowing? At age nine he could think about that, whereas being at age nine, I was playing with Legos and maybe QBasic. And so this idea of how young human's brains will evolve because of this new tool we have is going to change the way I think we're going to do education. And I'll be very honest, I'm not an expert in education, but I just thought a lot about it. And one thing I think is going to be really important in the future is being able to figure out how to ask the right questions. We humans are inherently inquisitive. But being inquisitive and turning that into the right questions to prompt or ask AI, which is going to be again, something that everyone's going to have access to is going to be a differentiator for what kind of work can be done. The analogy I'll draw is, when the calculator was invented people didn't stop doing Math, they just did higher level Math. And it frees the mind up to do other things and think more at a higher level of abstraction. And I think we got to prepare our kids on thinking about, "Well, how do you think at a higher level of abstraction?" ees the mind up to do other things and think more at a higher level of abstraction. And I think we got to prepare our kids on thinking about, "Well, how do you think at a higher level of abstraction?" And this has happened before. I think Google has made memory kind of obsolete. You don't have to memorize facts anymore, you can just Google it. And the next phase will be something around, "Well code will just appear if you summon it." So, what are the things that people will think about and the skills we have to develop that are at the next level of abstraction, that tap into our creativity, that tap into our curiosity? That's going to be really interesting. So, I think education is going to change dramatically, just like how progressive education in the past switch from memorization of multiplication tables into something that's a little bit more kind of higher level, higher level thinking. And I think that's going to be one of those big areas.…

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