Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedLenny Rachitsky: belief
31 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast A rational conversation on where AI is actually going | Benedict Evans
“Benedict, this was amazing. I learned a ton. I feel better after this conversation.”
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- Lenny Rachitsky
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- Claim type
- belief
- Recorded
- 31 May 2026
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
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…So I have one of those, I should have usually told me I'd have got the box down, I have one of those Ericsson shark fin flip phones from '98 or something, which is very vogue. Again, hardware design, visual design, trying to differentiate. I've got an iMade phone from 2001, and a JPhone phone from 2001 that has a camera. So I came back from Japan in 2001 and my phone had a color screen and a camera. And I just had endless client meetings and people just wanted to see the phone with a color screen. It's mind-blowing. Didn't work outside Japan. So, I plugged it in the other day. It still charges up. I mean, clearly I can't do anything with it. I mean, there's a little bit of an analogy in there as well in that we thought there'd be all these different shapes and sizes. And before the iPhone, people kind of imagined, "Well, some people will have a little pocket PC, and some people have a keyboard, and you have folding..." There were all these different ideas for what it would look like. And we didn't realize it was all going to converge on one device. Benedict, this was amazing. I learned a ton. I feel better after this conversation. Two final questions. Where can folks find you online? Where do they find this presentation? And how can listeners be useful to you? If you can Google me, as I always say, my parents had good SEO. So, Google Benedict Evans. And so there's a website where I publish all the presentations that I've done. And sign up for my newsletter, which comes out every week. Otherwise, how can they be useful to me? I'm always trying to understand stuff and I'm always trying to ask different questions. The worst thing in tech is to carry on talking about the same stuff. It's like the moment you really understand something, it's the moment you have to push onto something else. And so I'm always trying to think like, "No, am I just talking about the same thing over and over again?" Last year I just spent probably too much time saying, "But these models still hallucinate. Stop telling me they don't hallucinate." And they do. They still hallucinate. You push them, push them a little bit further, any question and you'll still get like, "No, that's not true," but that doesn't mean they're not useful. So you have to keep pushing myself. So that's always that the challenge for me, is how do I push? And then yes, if you want me to come and present to your board in the Caribbean, then let me know.…
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