Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedLenny Rachitsky: belief
25 Sept 2025 Lenny's Podcast Why AI evals are the hottest new skill for product builders | Hamel Husain & Shreya Shankar (creators of the #1 eval course)
“The fact that your course on Maven is the number one highest grossing course in Maven, clearly there's demand and interest, and there's more people I think on your side.”
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- Speaker
- Lenny Rachitsky
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- Claim type
- belief
- Recorded
- 25 Sept 2025
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
Transcript context
…Yeah, Pamela and I should not be the only two people on the planet that are promoting a structured way of thinking about application specific evals. It's mind-boggling to me. Why are we the only two people doing this the whole world? What's wrong? I hope that we're not the only people and that more people catch on. The fact that your course on Maven is the number one highest grossing course in Maven, clearly there's demand and interest, and there's more people I think on your side. Interestingly, just as an example you've been sharing on Twitter that I think is informative, everyone's been saying how cloud code doesn't care about evals. They're all about vibes, and everyone's like, and they're the best coding agent out there, so clearly, this is right. More recently, there's all this talk about Codex, OpenAI Codex being better and everyone's switching and they're so pro evals. I know.…
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