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How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)

21 Aug 2025 26 published claims 2 attributable people

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belief 7recommendation 6evaluation 5uncertainty 3prediction 2commitment 2preference 1

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01 / recommendation

Recommends Nuclear War: A Scenario.

“So, I found I lost the habit of reading as I started to get more and more stressed with my startup. And so I would listen to audiobooks here and there, but the most recent book I read is a book called Nuclear War: A Scenario, and it's a very much a nonfiction and scared the shit out of me. So, if you like nightmares, it'll be beautiful bedtime reading.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

06 / recommendation

Mentions personal use of Nuclear War: A Scenario.

“So, I found I lost the habit of reading as I started to get more and more stressed with my startup. And so I would listen to audiobooks here and there, but the most recent book I read is a book called Nuclear War: A Scenario, and it's a very much a nonfiction and scared the shit out of me.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

12 / uncertainty

I just didn't know who I was dealing with. But one of the greatest minds and teachers of the last, I don't know, many decades, people don't even know him, but he's taught and worked with many CEOs and he just helped me get to know me and take time for myself.

“I just didn't know who I was dealing with. But one of the greatest minds and teachers of the last, I don't know, many decades, people don't even know him, but he's taught and worked with many CEOs and he just helped me get to know me and take time for myself.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

14 / uncertainty

Now, it's okay to wrap things up and quit, but when you kind of run away, like I kind of had to because I was sick and burned out and kind of disenchanted, I don't know, it didn't feel good.

“Now, it's okay to wrap things up and quit, but when you kind of run away, like I kind of had to because I was sick and burned out and kind of disenchanted, I don't know, it didn't feel good.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

17 / evaluation

Now obviously it's fun to tell that once again to the idea of this brave Maverick move, and I won't discount the fact that we were brave, but we were coming from a point of having nothing to lose.

“Now obviously it's fun to tell that once again to the idea of this brave Maverick move, and I won't discount the fact that we were brave, but we were coming from a point of having nothing to lose.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

18 / evaluation

Everyone's valuation and revenue was through the roof and that hit a lot of problems in a lot of these companies and we had five quarters of success of sequential decline in our net new ARR and we were about to hit $0 net new ARR which means we would've in negative growth territory.

“Everyone's valuation and revenue was through the roof and that hit a lot of problems in a lot of these companies and we had five quarters of success of sequential decline in our net new ARR and we were about to hit $0 net new ARR which means we would've in negative growth territory.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

19 / evaluation

A lot of things that were controversial for this prior crowd. And then I designed these quarterly performance processes where not only would you get a mark or a grade for your performance against your goals that quarter, but you'd also get a score for your behavior against the values.

“A lot of things that were controversial for this prior crowd. And then I designed these quarterly performance processes where not only would you get a mark or a grade for your performance against your goals that quarter, but you'd also get a score for your behavior against the values.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

20 / prediction

They'll have more options, cheaper options, and I can't but see that be great for the economy, a lot of economic lubricant as it were, and a lot of new movement and activity. And if we were to really go off the reservation, but I'll stop here, that means that we need more humans too.

“They'll have more options, cheaper options, and I can't but see that be great for the economy, a lot of economic lubricant as it were, and a lot of new movement and activity. And if we were to really go off the reservation, but I'll stop here, that means that we need more humans too.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

21 / commitment

I had been attacked unfairly in the press, just all of me was just fed up and I decided to take a very authoritarian, top-down, aggressive founder-first approach to all the things, and I found that deeply cathartic and that was the thing that led to me in part.

“I had been attacked unfairly in the press, just all of me was just fed up and I decided to take a very authoritarian, top-down, aggressive founder-first approach to all the things, and I found that deeply cathartic and that was the thing that led to me in part.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

22 / prediction

You'll see from time to time, I did this a couple of years ago, people will construct these indexes of the performance of companies that are founder led, and of course this is a self-serving statement, but it's also true. And surprise, surprise, the founder led companies perform substantially better because they have the moral authority and the willingness to take the risks that the professional CEOs don't have the remit for.

“You'll see from time to time, I did this a couple of years ago, people will construct these indexes of the performance of companies that are founder led, and of course this is a self-serving statement, but it's also true. And surprise, surprise, the founder led companies perform substantially better because they have the moral authority and the willingness to take the risks that the professional CEOs don't have the remit for.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

23 / preference

If efficiency was the number one thing we value, I'd always buy the cheapest clothes, furniture, computers, even paper for my printer. But I think humans value things like beauty and human stories and human heart and connection.

“If efficiency was the number one thing we value, I'd always buy the cheapest clothes, furniture, computers, even paper for my printer. But I think humans value things like beauty and human stories and human heart and connection.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

24 / evaluation

We've reduced the prices for a lot of customers just to give them way simpler pricing because surprise, surprise, when people feel like they have far simpler, more predictable, fairer pricing, they'll stick around longer and it creates so much more ease in the company and promotes a healthier relationship with the customer too.

“We've reduced the prices for a lot of customers just to give them way simpler pricing because surprise, surprise, when people feel like they have far simpler, more predictable, fairer pricing, they'll stick around longer and it creates so much more ease in the company and promotes a healthier relationship with the customer too.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

25 / commitment

We charge 99 cents to resolve tickets, customer problems, and we have a higher resolution rate than anyone else, and we are proud of that and we obsess over that. It is the metric by which these agents are assessed, and we wanted our revenue to be 100% aligned with the value that they attained because we had all this scar tissue from pricing prior that felt unfair to customers.

“We charge 99 cents to resolve tickets, customer problems, and we have a higher resolution rate than anyone else, and we are proud of that and we obsess over that. It is the metric by which these agents are assessed, and we wanted our revenue to be 100% aligned with the value that they attained because we had all this scar tissue from pricing prior that felt unfair to customers.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

26 / evaluation

We ran an anonymous employee survey, I think 15 or 16 months after I started aggressively working through the org and rebuilding the org and rebuilding the culture, and we had a 98 to 99% approval of management, leadership and new strategy.

“We ran an anonymous employee survey, I think 15 or 16 months after I started aggressively working through the org and rebuilding the org and rebuilding the culture, and we had a 98 to 99% approval of management, leadership and new strategy.”
Speaker
Eoghan McCabe
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast
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