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Head of Growth (Anthropic): “Claude is growing itself at this point” | Amol Avasare

5 Apr 2026 31 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / recommendation

Recommends Joy of Living. Recommends Awareness. Recommends Thinking In Bets.

“It probably ties to a lot of what I just talked about. I think a lot about meditation and my emotional state. What I spend most of my time thinking and reading and researching and working on outside of work. So my recommendations very related to that. The first is a book called Joy of Living by a Buddhist monk. His name's Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche. It's just really about how you can start to think about your life experience in a different way and have tactics of what to do to kind of change just how you think about things. This is one where I've recommended to people. Yeah, I've recommended to a lot of people and they've really, really enjoyed it. I think another one is Awareness by Anthony de Mello, which is a kind of similar thing but from a different angle. Those two I consistently recommend to people. And then the third one is more relevant to product in many ways is Thinking In Bets by Annie Duke. I think just being able to break down a situation when someone's like, "I don't know, it'll get done in time. Okay. Can you put a number to that? What percentage or likelihood is it?" Those types of things, I think, are just so tactically helpful in product.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

02 / belief

Oh, man. And I think the fact that all this data is there, Slack, there's Granola, or whatever people use, all these notes from conversations and discussions are really key to this working.

“Oh, man. And I think the fact that all this data is there, Slack, there's Granola, or whatever people use, all these notes from conversations and discussions are really key to this working.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

03 / belief

The documentation should be really good and that people should spend a lot of time on it. But by and large, I think PRDs are just outdated at this point, and you can just kick things off with a good team without needing to do that sort of thing.

“The documentation should be really good and that people should spend a lot of time on it. But by and large, I think PRDs are just outdated at this point, and you can just kick things off with a good team without needing to do that sort of thing.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

04 / belief

We have great teams on inference and compute, and then there's many other teams like Claude Code, go to-market, et cetera, who I think deserve much more credit than us.

“We have great teams on inference and compute, and then there's many other teams like Claude Code, go to-market, et cetera, who I think deserve much more credit than us.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

06 / belief

We're roughly maybe 40 people now. And so we are, I think, structured very much like a traditional growth team in that we have horizontals of growth platform and monetization who think about the sphere of growth across the entirety of our products.

“We're roughly maybe 40 people now. And so we are, I think, structured very much like a traditional growth team in that we have horizontals of growth platform and monetization who think about the sphere of growth across the entirety of our products.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

07 / belief

Before I get into something that I think will blow a lot of people's minds about how we actually met and kind of a big part of your journey, let me just ask you this.

“Before I get into something that I think will blow a lot of people's minds about how we actually met and kind of a big part of your journey, let me just ask you this.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

08 / belief

Earlier companies, you don't have as much of this cross-functional coordination, stakeholder alignment nonsense that you need all these PMs for, so you can get by with less. But then as a company scales, and if I think about, okay, now you have this ratio where maybe the one PM became two PMs from productivity, that the five engineers became 20 engineers, the one designer maybe became three designers.

“Earlier companies, you don't have as much of this cross-functional coordination, stakeholder alignment nonsense that you need all these PMs for, so you can get by with less. But then as a company scales, and if I think about, okay, now you have this ratio where maybe the one PM became two PMs from productivity, that the five engineers became 20 engineers, the one designer maybe became three designers.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

10 / belief

We have a number of people who've worked at, call it the best companies you know in the world, very senior people. And I think almost uniformly, everyone was like, "This is the strongest leadership team out of any of those companies.

“We have a number of people who've worked at, call it the best companies you know in the world, very senior people. And I think almost uniformly, everyone was like, "This is the strongest leadership team out of any of those companies.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

15 / belief

I look at teams like Claude Code and I think that, or because that product is so technical, it's probably just the right thing, where the PMs are all basically engineers themselves anyway.

“I look at teams like Claude Code and I think that, or because that product is so technical, it's probably just the right thing, where the PMs are all basically engineers themselves anyway.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

18 / uncertainty

I think if you're building a product where it's not necessarily an AI- first product and you have some AI features that are on the side, but it's not the core of your value, I don't know that I would operate this way.

“I think if you're building a product where it's not necessarily an AI- first product and you have some AI features that are on the side, but it's not the core of your value, I don't know that I would operate this way.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

19 / belief

I think the second is, I think, we actually believe in this stuff more strongly than we say externally. So it is just such a key part of how we think internally that sometimes we just reword your statements because it's like people might just think we're being too over the top, but internally, that's how we think, and what we're putting out is a softer version of that at times.

“I think the second is, I think, we actually believe in this stuff more strongly than we say externally. So it is just such a key part of how we think internally that sometimes we just reword your statements because it's like people might just think we're being too over the top, but internally, that's how we think, and what we're putting out is a softer version of that at times.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

22 / evaluation

I think that activation is a really big challenge in AI. And so that's one example of something that we shipped that was very specific to a moment in time.

“I think that activation is a really big challenge in AI. And so that's one example of something that we shipped that was very specific to a moment in time.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

23 / preference

I have one coming up relatively soon as well. And just I think all of that has helped with better managing the physical side of it because this job is very taxing, and then emotionally having a little bit of space to what happens.

“I have one coming up relatively soon as well. And just I think all of that has helped with better managing the physical side of it because this job is very taxing, and then emotionally having a little bit of space to what happens.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

24 / prediction

It's like you have the conversion, you have activation, you have monetization. But as you start to get into having multiple products, I think that's harder because if you do that, then if you just have one activation team, for example, but then you have Claude Code, you have Cowork, you have all the other things.

“It's like you have the conversion, you have activation, you have monetization. But as you start to get into having multiple products, I think that's harder because if you do that, then if you just have one activation team, for example, but then you have Claude Code, you have Cowork, you have all the other things.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

26 / recommendation

I think if you're in a company where budgets are very tight, and engineers are very tight, and you're not able to just hire because money's unlimited, then you need to do what is needed to accelerate the impact your team's going to have.

“I think if you're in a company where budgets are very tight, and engineers are very tight, and you're not able to just hire because money's unlimited, then you need to do what is needed to accelerate the impact your team's going to have.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

27 / evaluation

" And it's like, no, that's been thoroughly tested. And actually that was a significant revenue driver because it helps users feel that the product is for them by understanding what their interests are and then recommending the content and classes there.

“" And it's like, no, that's been thoroughly tested. And actually that was a significant revenue driver because it helps users feel that the product is for them by understanding what their interests are and then recommending the content and classes there.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

28 / recommendation

" Share the story of the brain injury that you went through and just the journey that you went on there because this is going to blow people's minds.

“" Share the story of the brain injury that you went through and just the journey that you went on there because this is going to blow people's minds.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

31 / recommendation

One is when that test is so controversial that you just should not run the thing, because the results don't matter because you would not ship it for a combination of brand and sort of customer friendliness and values.

“One is when that test is so controversial that you just should not run the thing, because the results don't matter because you would not ship it for a combination of brand and sort of customer friendliness and values.”
Speaker
Amol Avasare
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast
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