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Lenny Rachitsky: belief

25 Sept 2025 Lenny's Podcast Why AI evals are the hottest new skill for product builders | Hamel Husain & Shreya Shankar (creators of the #1 eval course)

“I think when people think A-B tests, it's like we're changing something in the product, we're going to see if this improves some metric we care about.”

— Lenny Rachitsky

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Lenny Rachitsky
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belief
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25 Sept 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…A-B tests are, again, another form of evals ,I imagine, right? When you're doing an A-B test, you have two different experimental conditions and then you have a metric that quantifies the success of something, and you're comparing the metric. Again, an eval in our mind is systematic measurement of quality, some metric. You can't really do an A-B test without the eval to compare, so maybe we just have a different weird take on it. Yeah, okay. What I'm hearing is you consider A-B tests as part of the suite of evals that you do. I think when people think A-B tests, it's like we're changing something in the product, we're going to see if this improves some metric we care about. Is that enough? Why do we need to test every little feature? If it's impacting a metric we care about as a business, we have a bunch of A-B tests that are just constantly running. This is now a great point. I think a lot of people prematurely do A-B tests, because they've never done any error analysis in the first place. They just have hypothetically come up with their product requirements and they believe that, "We should test these things," but it turns out, when you get into the data, as Hamel showed, that the errors that you're seeing are not what you thought what the errors might be. They were these weird handoff issues or, I don't know, the text message thing was strange. I would say that, if you're going to do A-B tests and they're powered by actual error analysis as we've shown today, then that's great, go do it. But if you're just going to do them, which we find that people try to do, just want to do them based on what you hypothetically think is what is important, then I would encourage people to go and rethink that and ground your hypotheses.…

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