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Dario Amodei

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07 / belief

I would bet it stays pretty fast even as the scale goes to the entire economy. So I think we should be thinking about this middle world where things are extremely fast, but not instant, where they take time because of economic diffusion, because of the need to close the loop.

“I would bet it stays pretty fast even as the scale goes to the entire economy. So I think we should be thinking about this middle world where things are extremely fast, but not instant, where they take time because of economic diffusion, because of the need to close the loop.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

10 / belief

We’re under an incredible amount of commercial pressure and make it even harder for ourselves because we have all this safety stuff we do that I think we do more than other companies.

“We’re under an incredible amount of commercial pressure and make it even harder for ourselves because we have all this safety stuff we do that I think we do more than other companies.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

11 / belief

Given the serious dangers that I lay out in “Adolescence of Technology” around things like biological weapons and bioterrorism autonomy risk, and the timelines we’ve been talking about—10 years is an eternity—I think that’s a crazy thing to do.

“Given the serious dangers that I lay out in “Adolescence of Technology” around things like biological weapons and bioterrorism autonomy risk, and the timelines we’ve been talking about—10 years is an eternity—I think that’s a crazy thing to do.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

16 / belief

I think generally the dynamic was I got this kind of inspiration from Ilya and from others, folks like Alec Radford, who did the original GPT-1 and then ran really hard with it, me and my collaborators, on GPT-2, GPT-3, RL from Human Feedback, which was an attempt to kind of deal with the early safety and durability, things like debate and amplification, heavy on interpretability.

“I think generally the dynamic was I got this kind of inspiration from Ilya and from others, folks like Alec Radford, who did the original GPT-1 and then ran really hard with it, me and my collaborators, on GPT-2, GPT-3, RL from Human Feedback, which was an attempt to kind of deal with the early safety and durability, things like debate and amplification, heavy on interpretability.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

20 / belief

I think no matter how smart you are, people talk about, “Oh, we can make models of biological systems that’ll do everything the biological systems … ” Look, I think computational modeling can do a lot.

“I think no matter how smart you are, people talk about, “Oh, we can make models of biological systems that’ll do everything the biological systems … ” Look, I think computational modeling can do a lot.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

21 / belief

” Then I think at some point it’ll flip around where the AI systems will be the PIs, will be the leaders, and they’ll be ordering humans or other AI systems around.

“” Then I think at some point it’ll flip around where the AI systems will be the PIs, will be the leaders, and they’ll be ordering humans or other AI systems around.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

22 / belief

I mean, I think we’re still early in terms of our ability to see things, but I’ve been surprised at how much we’ve been able to look inside these systems and understand what we see.

“I mean, I think we’re still early in terms of our ability to see things, but I’ve been surprised at how much we’ve been able to look inside these systems and understand what we see.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

23 / belief

Currently, we’re not trying to make such IDEs ourself, rather we’re powering the companies like Cursor or Kognition or some of the other expo in the security space, others that I could mention as well that are building such things themselves on top of our API and our view has been let 1,000 flowers bloom.

“Currently, we’re not trying to make such IDEs ourself, rather we’re powering the companies like Cursor or Kognition or some of the other expo in the security space, others that I could mention as well that are building such things themselves on top of our API and our view has been let 1,000 flowers bloom.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

26 / belief

I also think it’s going to be five or 10 years more than it’s going to be five or 10 hours, because I’ve just seen how human systems work. And I think a lot of these people who write down these differential equations, who say AI is going to make more powerful AI, who can’t understand how it could possibly be the case that these things won’t change so fast.

“I also think it’s going to be five or 10 years more than it’s going to be five or 10 hours, because I’ve just seen how human systems work. And I think a lot of these people who write down these differential equations, who say AI is going to make more powerful AI, who can’t understand how it could possibly be the case that these things won’t change so fast.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

28 / belief

I think by the time, certainly within two to three years, whether we have these super powerful AIs or not, clusters are going to get to the size where you’ll be able to deploy millions of these.

“I think by the time, certainly within two to three years, whether we have these super powerful AIs or not, clusters are going to get to the size where you’ll be able to deploy millions of these.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

30 / belief

I think we look at some of the benchmarks where previous models were like, “Oh, could do it 6% of the time,” and now our model would do it 14 or 22% of the time.

“I think we look at some of the benchmarks where previous models were like, “Oh, could do it 6% of the time,” and now our model would do it 14 or 22% of the time.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

31 / belief

I think that’s probably a bad idea during training because the model can be changing its policy, it can be changing what it’s doing and it’s having an effect in the real world.

“I think that’s probably a bad idea during training because the model can be changing its policy, it can be changing what it’s doing and it’s having an effect in the real world.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

33 / belief

There was Rich Sutton’s bitter lesson, Gwern wrote about the scaling hypothesis. But I think somewhere between 2014 and 2017 was when it really clicked for me, when I really got conviction that, “Hey, we’re going to be able to these incredibly wide cognitive tasks if we just scale up the models.

“There was Rich Sutton’s bitter lesson, Gwern wrote about the scaling hypothesis. But I think somewhere between 2014 and 2017 was when it really clicked for me, when I really got conviction that, “Hey, we’re going to be able to these incredibly wide cognitive tasks if we just scale up the models.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

36 / belief

I think all these questions of drama are profoundly uninteresting and the thing that matters is the ecosystem that we all operate in and how to make that ecosystem better because that constrains all the players.

“I think all these questions of drama are profoundly uninteresting and the thing that matters is the ecosystem that we all operate in and how to make that ecosystem better because that constrains all the players.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

37 / belief

Around 2016 or 2017, I first started to really believe in or at least confirm my belief in the scaling hypothesis when Ilya famously said to me, “The thing you need to understand about these models is they just want to learn.

“Around 2016 or 2017, I first started to really believe in or at least confirm my belief in the scaling hypothesis when Ilya famously said to me, “The thing you need to understand about these models is they just want to learn.”
Speaker
Dario Amodei
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast
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