01 / recommendation
Mentions personal use of Winamp.
“I listen to so much music all the time on Winamp, it should just know what I like and automatically pick the next song.”
- Speaker
- David Rosenthal
- Episode
- Meta
- Publisher
- Acquired
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108 published records
01 / recommendation
“I listen to so much music all the time on Winamp, it should just know what I like and automatically pick the next song.”
02 / belief
“We’re almost talking about two totally different companies here as I think we’ve told in the story.”
03 / commitment
“Oh and by the way, in the second iteration of this Microsoft partnership which we will talk about in just a minute, it included an investment from Microsoft at a $15 billion valuation.”
04 / belief
“I think in large part because of Mark and Adam, it’s quite different these days.”
05 / belief
“Sean is living in Palo Alto, and one of his housemate’s girlfriends who’s I believe a student at Stanford pulls up the facebook.”
06 / belief
“I think that’s very fair, knowing Meta and all of its capabilities and everything that we just talked about.”
07 / commitment
“While we will of course discuss these events as part of our story and analysis, our goal today on this podcast episode is really to understand how it is that Meta became the dominant fabric that connects the human race, and why they’ve been so successful at continuing to win over and over again.”
08 / belief
“As you looked at not the high level metrics of how many users have ever signed up, because MySpace and Friendster, I think we’re still way ahead at this point, if you looked at how’s this going to play out if it keeps compounding and you looked at the deeper metrics, you thought, oh, I’m running the better company by a lot.”
09 / evaluation
“The scarce commodity is trust. That is the important lesson here. It’s also a very convenient infrastructure decision, where if these two systems truly don’t need to talk to each other, that’s great.”
10 / belief
“I think Mark realizes, oh, I have created one of the most engaging technology applications ever.”
11 / belief
“I think that is totally right. But for the moment, thousands and thousands of both indie devs and venture backed companies flock to the platform.”
12 / commitment
“I will share that on WhatsApp or I will share that on iMessage or I will share that on, whatever my actual friend living room network of choice is.”
13 / belief
“I think he realized that had he done that, it would’ve socially inhibited sharing within Harvard.”
14 / belief
“Just wild. And then still, I think the craziest thing about the company is that if you look at the daily active user figure, it’s not that much lower.”
15 / belief
“I suspect that’s probably it. They probably felt they needed a native mechanic on FriendFeed.”
16 / commitment
“All right, so we will catch you up on the business today just to put some numbers to all of this, and then we will move into analysis.”
17 / belief
“Dustin never goes back, stays with the company until 2008 when he leaves to start Asana. Mark, I think probably never really even considered going back.”
18 / evaluation
“I don’t think open compute had started yet, but that was right around this time where they were starting to open source their data center designs.”
19 / belief
“I think when someone invents a new interaction paradigm, it’s one of these things where you have to adopt it, because otherwise people are just going to flee.”
20 / belief
“Now, I think by the 20-year mistake, he meant much more of the damage to Facebook’s brand that came out of this than specifically the FTC settlement.”
21 / belief
“Not that I think that was a real possibility anyway because things were moving so fast.”
22 / observation
“Despite that nefarious-sounding nature to the last one there, especially, Civ in 4X games were this radical branch of video games at the time where the action of playing and the way to win wasn’t just about killing all the enemies on screen.”
23 / belief
“I think there are three dimensions to the payoffs from this investment in AI and FAIR back in 2013.”
24 / belief
“I think that is totally right. Mark gets to Harvard in fall of 2002 and like you said, he goes to class, he does well, but he wants to meet other people and be around other smart folks.”
25 / belief
“We think we’re building the next great technology company and the next great business model.”
26 / belief
“Facebook I believe was going to call it the awesome button. And then at some point right before launching, I think Mark personally made the call, it’s just too weird.”
27 / belief
“I think when these paradigm shifts happen, people get upset because their expectations are being violated.”
28 / belief
“If somebody had purely come (I think) from the advertising world, they would’ve been like, well, that’s just the nature of advertising.”
29 / belief
“I think my point with all this is: (1) growth is a pretty new discipline in our industry, (2) growth is not marketing.”
30 / belief
“In fact, Accel had limited partners drop out of this fund who were LPs previously, including your beloved Princeton, including Harvard, I mean big, and I think Stanford was one of the only ones that really stuck with them for this $400 million fund.”
31 / belief
“I think Microsoft was one of them, too. It was for like a million dollar acquisition offer or something that wasn’t crazy.”
32 / belief
“There are markets in the world today where I think Meta has run this test, where if you turn off ads in the Meta family of apps products, engagement in those products actually goes down, which is just freaking wild.”
33 / belief
“Pick a particular thing where we have an opinion about something we think is going to be the future, and then invest deeply in it.”
34 / belief
“Actually legend has it, I think in Steven Levy’s book, while they’re talking about this, Sean Parker actually comes up with a name for the product.”
35 / belief
“Now also, the reality was at the time I think developers were getting plenty of value just out of the distribution, and that was coming from newsfeed.”
36 / commitment
“A challenging environment where I will encounter other really smart people like myself who are ambitious.”
37 / belief
“I think Mark got the demo of Oculus and was just like, oh this has the most credible potential to be the future out of anything that I’ve ever tried, so yes.”
38 / commitment
“We are going to do a seven powers analysis of what enables Meta to achieve persistent differential returns, or to put it another way to be more profitable than their closest competitor and do so sustainably.”
39 / commitment
“I will do six weeks with my wife and then we’ll fly her friends out to the last two weeks with her.”
40 / belief
“Obviously, Snap was more a competitor and WhatsApp turned into an acquisition and is now a big part of Meta and part of the company. But I think together what they represent was this next fundamental shift in the consumer social landscape, which Mark totally picked up on and ultimately announced as the core of the company’s product strategy in 2019, which was the default social behavior was moving from town square, which was the old Facebook paradigm of, hey, we’re all in this together.”
41 / belief
“The second way is actually financial, too. I think there’s probably a third more emotional way.”
42 / observation
“At this point in time, they were showing ads, but the whole leadership team, at least I’m convinced, believed we are on the way to becoming a platform.”
43 / uncertainty
“I think he wants enough. I don’t know that it’s that important to him, but he is like, yeah sure.”
44 / belief
“At this point, I think we’re well past the Turing test, but it is the most convinced that something is actually a person I’ve ever been.”
45 / evaluation
“Full stop, flip a switch, does not work, will never work at all ever again on these platforms.”
46 / commitment
“We are going to research AI. I think that has made all the difference. It is super clear exactly how that is going to translate into helping Facebook and Facebook’s products.”
47 / belief
“I don’t think you can separate it out. And I think here part of the reason why Adam keeps coming into the story is he is a really, really great technologist.”
48 / uncertainty
“Now, am I certain that this is the best way to hedge that risk? No, I don’t know.”
49 / belief
“Again, the chutzpah here. They raise $16 billion at a $104 billion market cap, making it (I think) the third largest IPO of all time at that point behind Visa, and ironically General Motors coming out of the bankruptcy during 2008.”
50 / belief
“I think Mark and Schrep had to make this point to Yann, and then when Yann joined it made the point to the rest of the industry that this is not something that’s going to wax and wane with our financial results.”
51 / belief
“I think Mark’s takeaway from this is like, okay, maybe I don’t understand advertising as well as I thought I did.”
52 / belief
“The most interesting thing that I think hit me in the face like a ton of bricks, Zuck after all the 2016 election fallout, the shift in public perception, and having to do all this testifying, is like watching an alternate future for Microsoft where Bill Gates had decided to stay at the helm instead of leaving after the DOJ case.”
53 / evaluation
“If this were five years ago, I would’ve been like, why even talk about the rest, network economies? Once you have the network, then you know the rest doesn’t matter.”
54 / belief
“With such a small user base at that point in time, I think probably certainly less than 10 million users, to have 200 million-plus page views every single day and be passing Google in traffic is wild.”
55 / belief
“Now we’re talking, and then the next year in 2007, again I think almost all of this is Microsoft, that goes to $153 million in revenue.”
56 / belief
“My experience using Orion—you were talking about yours a minute ago—I thought it was unbelievably compelling.”
57 / belief
“I think that might have been somewhat of the inspiration, although obviously Mark was thinking way bigger than that.”
58 / belief
“While probably YouTube to a certain extent, TikTok perhaps, also have similar strengths here, I doubt there is any other company in the world capable of actually operating privacy, integrity, and security.”
59 / belief
“I think often without knowing it, everything from the posters on the walls with your mantras and your values to almost having an employment brand that you really care about, cultivating to the idea of we’re having just as much fun together socially as we are working together.”
60 / belief
“The key thing that they discover for New Year’s, there’s joining Facebook about whether they become an engaged, active, evangelizing user or not, is how many friends they get in the first (I think) 24 hours or 48 hours or short period that they’re joining the network.”
61 / belief
“I think at most places like Chamath would’ve been fired immediately for what happened with Beacon.”
62 / belief
“I do have a sunk cost in building a following on a given platform, but that doesn’t actually prevent me from also launching on another platform if you have the time to do that. I think there might actually be process power.”
63 / uncertainty
“Mark is, I don’t know, six or seven standard deviations from the mean human across the important traits that mattered to making Facebook.”
64 / belief
“Super crazy. This really I think speaks to the genius of Mark as a product strategist.”
65 / belief
“I think that really is the “deal” they make. They say, and Sheryl agrees too, it’s not like, hey, Mark said you’re going to take this side of the company and I’m going to take that side of the company.”
66 / uncertainty
“I get this utility from Facebook. But well, I don’t know. There’s this Instagram thing.”
67 / belief
“I think that’s right, and it will be very interesting to revisit this again in 5 or 10 years.”
68 / belief
“Ironically, I think one of the biggest ones is the integrity and safety team, and all of the privacy controls and work and security that they have done.”
69 / belief
“I think I was playing with my sister, with my grandma. This is a great way to do things digitally with the people that matter to you.”
70 / belief
“While this isn’t totally exact, I think you just apply the same multiple to China and say, well two-thirds of humans are online, two-thirds of China is online.”
71 / belief
“I think Meta might look extremely different 20 years from now than it is today, almost unrecognizably because this company moves like water in response to whatever the new shape of the world is.”
72 / belief
“I think if I remember right, at Princeton at least, they would republish the book every year for your class because some people would leave, some people would join, et cetera.”
73 / belief
“I think Facebook for the first time stepped in it and realized, oh, even though technically this data has always, we didn’t change how public or private it is, it’s just as accessible, people react really strongly when you change the ease of obtaining that information or whether it feels like you are pushing that information out versus someone is pulling by going to your profile and viewing.”
74 / belief
“I think most people who were at Facebook at this time really did believe in the future of the company.”
75 / belief
“The first thing is I think Mark had always operated the company this way, but now he gets real religion of like we need to get more revenue and we need to focus on becoming truly cash flow positive, so that we are never in a position again where we would even consider doing something like this.”
76 / belief
“Yeah, I think about nine total months. Sean ends up leaving the company after charges get filed against him as a result of some drug incidents at a house party during a trip to North Carolina.”
77 / belief
“I think Flickr may have had it, but the idea that you’re tagging a person and then you can go browse that person’s profile by photos they’ve been tagged in, that wasn’t brand new innovation.”
78 / belief
“I think what happened since, okay, if it had just ended at Apple isn’t going to let Facebook build a platform on top of their platform, that might’ve been it.”
79 / belief
“Hell, after trying Orion, I think there’s a very plausible reality five years from now where this company looks very, very different than it does today.”
80 / belief
“There’s this funny chicken or the egg thing here and I think the answer like many chicken or the egg is both.”
81 / belief
“I think that scale economies on the infrastructure side, on the GPU investment side.”
82 / belief
“Somebody put it to me in the research, there was a fairly big competitor in Germany, I think maybe called Study Vice or something like that.”
83 / belief
“I think two years. I think that was 2009 if I remember right. Hell, Facebook platform didn’t even launch until May, 2007, so after the iPhone announcement.”
84 / belief
“There are only 2000 people in a class at Harvard. I think there are about 7000 or 8000 undergraduates total.”
85 / belief
“Certainly there’s instant blowback against their publishing My Purchases. Someone (I think) had a engagement spoiled by a diamond ring getting broadcast.”
86 / uncertainty
“There’s this great legend about you had to take SAT twos to get into college back then. I don’t know if you still do, but I think you had to have a minimum of three.”
87 / evaluation
“All right, so David, here we are, we’re going public despite everything you just listed that is wrong with the future of mobile and this company.”
88 / belief
“I think Facebook was potentially maybe the first company, first startup to have an open office plan.”
89 / belief
“I spoke with someone years ago who told me this ended up being phenomenally, phenomenally successful and the warrant exercise on this I think is the greatest venture debt deal of all time.”
90 / commitment
“By buying it, we basically get this option on if it becomes a competitor, if we completely leave them alone and let them decide what to do. But then there’s also, look, we will integrate those mechanics into our core product, Facebook, the blue app that already has well-built out network effects.”
91 / belief
“What it comes down to is I think there’s an ethos at Facebook, that at many steps along the way, there was an opportunity to grow, to win, to compete.”
92 / belief
“The things he cared about were product and engineering and design, and he wanted to outsource everything else or at least have someone else at the company think about it. Having Microsoft take care of the ads was (I think) in his mind a win-win.”
93 / belief
“I think Apple was hoping in its heart of hearts that this would shift a lot of those dollars into ads in the app store, and the reality is people just don’t go to the app store searching for apps anymore.”
94 / belief
“I think the only way that this new paradigm exists is because of AI and because of GPUs specifically.”
95 / belief
“In a weird perverse way, I think because of all the controversy around newsfeed, when open reg launched, there wasn’t the same controversy.”
96 / belief
“If yes, then it’s process power. In this case I think that’s potentially true. Yeah, you can bring in new engineers, you can bring in new product people, and transfer the advantage to them.”
97 / belief
“The second thing that I think is in your description a little bit is the idea of social ads that brands could take interactions that happen on pages and boost them, but they couldn’t just take out a regular old ad.”
98 / belief
“I think people caught onto that one a while ago. But yeah, that’s a super hard data problem of cold new user coming into the network.”
99 / evaluation
“Mark, having full control over the company as we are going to see time and time and time again as we go through the story here, makes all the difference in the world.”
100 / prediction
“If they own the next platform, not only will they do everything that you’re just talking about of like, oh they’ll have an iPhone-sized business because if it turns in to be glasses and Reality Labs, they’re going to be selling the hardware and maybe they can make that profitable like the iPhone is profitable, et cetera.”
101 / evaluation
“I think the answer is they want to be as durable as a company that makes hardware with an operating system, that all the users use and all the developers have to target because all the users are there.”
102 / recommendation
“I think the right thing to do is react to TikTok now because every day this problem compounds and gets absolutely worse.”
103 / recommendation
“In practice, the common wisdom was you have to go public as part of this anyway because otherwise, you’re going to report.”
104 / prediction
“If they really are saying, this is the new first class product, this is where we’re going to point all advertisers toward, if they’re wrong on that, they’re wrong across the whole board, because if ads suck on mobile, since it’s the only thing and it’s filling up your whole screen, user engagement is also going to nose dive.”
105 / evaluation
“I’m glad we waited do this episode because I think I would’ve had a pretty different take having only tried VR headsets, Vision Pro, and big googly things over the years, I think I would’ve been unconvinced frankly because I didn’t think it was possible to put something in that small of a form factor.”
106 / recommendation
“I’m going to help you go about fundraising, but I’m going to make sure we find the right people who are cool with that stipulation number one, because if you go try and do it by yourself, you don’t know enough, you don’t know these people, you’re not going to find the right folks.”
107 / evaluation
“I think only could have come from someone like Boz being focused on this problem, because as a product person and an engineer, it’s the only way that you’re going to have that insight that like, oh, this is the same problem we had when we launched newsfeed.”
108 / prediction
“Within that time, if we incorporate the social mechanics they are using, those new products won’t get much traction because we will already have their mechanics deployed at scale.”