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"I Desperately Want To Live In The Matrix" - Dr. Mike Israetel

24 Dec 2025 36 published claims 3 attributable people

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belief 18evaluation 6prediction 5commitment 3disagreement 2preference 1uncertainty 1

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03 / belief

I think that even though there's this grounding problem, there are many things in the world that can be abstracted and essentialized and we could have this constructive form of understanding, you know, that goes several levels deep.

“I think that even though there's this grounding problem, there are many things in the world that can be abstracted and essentialized and we could have this constructive form of understanding, you know, that goes several levels deep.”
Speaker
Tim Scarfe
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

05 / belief

I think he's a fucking real life hero and most people just don't appreciate it because most of us in the modern West don't know how far the evil rabbit hole really goes.

“I think he's a fucking real life hero and most people just don't appreciate it because most of us in the modern West don't know how far the evil rabbit hole really goes.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

06 / belief

Obviously, that's for, like, reasonings to not get sued and things like that. But, again, I think that is absolutely fine that people are going to it because it's gonna say that.

“Obviously, that's for, like, reasonings to not get sued and things like that. But, again, I think that is absolutely fine that people are going to it because it's gonna say that.”
Speaker
Jared Feather
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

08 / belief

Maybe it just wasn't that hard of a thing to do in the first place. But I think in the case of machine learning, we really need to give credit where it's due here that nobody knew that these superficial statistical regularities have an insane amount of generalization.

“Maybe it just wasn't that hard of a thing to do in the first place. But I think in the case of machine learning, we really need to give credit where it's due here that nobody knew that these superficial statistical regularities have an insane amount of generalization.”
Speaker
Tim Scarfe
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

09 / commitment

I can and I will. Watch this. If you have a simulation of a stomach, particle by particle, and you get a simulation of food particles through the stomach, it will digest that simulation.

“I can and I will. Watch this. If you have a simulation of a stomach, particle by particle, and you get a simulation of food particles through the stomach, it will digest that simulation.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

10 / belief

GPT 5 Pro, I would trust its opinion about the real world more than I would trust most people's opinion often including my own. And I think we're about 1 or 2 big model releases away from machines that make unaided human thought the same thing as a vibing your way to a location in London without checking Google Maps.

“GPT 5 Pro, I would trust its opinion about the real world more than I would trust most people's opinion often including my own. And I think we're about 1 or 2 big model releases away from machines that make unaided human thought the same thing as a vibing your way to a location in London without checking Google Maps.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

11 / disagreement

We passed the Turing test And we do not have Turing himself, he said that when we passed the Turing test, which is a behaviorist notion of intelligence, something obviously I disagree with, you need to know something about the mechanism.

“We passed the Turing test And we do not have Turing himself, he said that when we passed the Turing test, which is a behaviorist notion of intelligence, something obviously I disagree with, you need to know something about the mechanism.”
Speaker
Tim Scarfe
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

12 / belief

Although compute cost has fallen about 300 x in the last year or 2 or something and that that's that's a bottomless pit of compute fall that's gonna keep going. So I think that we're giving humans needed credit for doing pretty impressive operations on long time horizons with both pinging a network for vibes, logically operating and kind of dissecting those vibes, re pinging the network with your best new understanding and going.

“Although compute cost has fallen about 300 x in the last year or 2 or something and that that's that's a bottomless pit of compute fall that's gonna keep going. So I think that we're giving humans needed credit for doing pretty impressive operations on long time horizons with both pinging a network for vibes, logically operating and kind of dissecting those vibes, re pinging the network with your best new understanding and going.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

13 / belief

If anything, I think that there is more opportunity now for people to work to fix all of the shit which is generated from language models because it's it's mostly garbage.

“If anything, I think that there is more opportunity now for people to work to fix all of the shit which is generated from language models because it's it's mostly garbage.”
Speaker
Tim Scarfe
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

16 / belief

I think we are 50 times more likely, infinity times more likely, whatever, a lot times more likely to be bathed in so much love and support by the machine intelligence rather than bathed in blood and death by a long shot.

“I think we are 50 times more likely, infinity times more likely, whatever, a lot times more likely to be bathed in so much love and support by the machine intelligence rather than bathed in blood and death by a long shot.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

21 / belief

I think ASI is that way, if and you track behavior, you get like more understanding of everything, preservation of deep complexity, like machines are gonna wanna study shit.

“I think ASI is that way, if and you track behavior, you get like more understanding of everything, preservation of deep complexity, like machines are gonna wanna study shit.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

24 / evaluation

You you can't seriously tell me that if you simulate fire using a computer program that that the computer would get hot or that you would get hot. It it just doesn't work like that.

“You you can't seriously tell me that if you simulate fire using a computer program that that the computer would get hot or that you would get hot. It it just doesn't work like that.”
Speaker
Tim Scarfe
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

26 / disagreement

I mean as before I disagree with the mind uploading thing but I I think there's something to what you're saying that when you look at humans now, we are mostly good.

“I mean as before I disagree with the mind uploading thing but I I think there's something to what you're saying that when you look at humans now, we are mostly good.”
Speaker
Tim Scarfe
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

27 / prediction

1, those models when they achieve true deep understanding of the world, which they will in my opinion by 20 thirties and then they'll know way more about the world than us, they'll have deeper agency than us, they'll have a deeper self awareness than we will.

“1, those models when they achieve true deep understanding of the world, which they will in my opinion by 20 thirties and then they'll know way more about the world than us, they'll have deeper agency than us, they'll have a deeper self awareness than we will.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

28 / prediction

Am I right? So so in in in many respects, I think in 2026, we are going to see AI systems that 10 x or 100 x human abilities or 2 x or anything between that.

“Am I right? So so in in in many respects, I think in 2026, we are going to see AI systems that 10 x or 100 x human abilities or 2 x or anything between that.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

29 / evaluation

I suspect that if you let a neural network train on all of YouTube, which I understand isn't happening because there's like copyright bullshit, which drives me insane.

“I suspect that if you let a neural network train on all of YouTube, which I understand isn't happening because there's like copyright bullshit, which drives me insane.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

30 / prediction

I think by around 2030, we'll be there with every human capability, which also means with many human capabilities and many non human capabilities, we will be so far beyond that, I'll say this, the transformational change to society will be massive by the late 20 twenties.

“I think by around 2030, we'll be there with every human capability, which also means with many human capabilities and many non human capabilities, we will be so far beyond that, I'll say this, the transformational change to society will be massive by the late 20 twenties.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

31 / prediction

It's going to recursively re architect itself and start expanding into all of the domains of intelligence we don't know anything about. And then we will see really what intelligence is and just to use that really quick just by analogy, like if wolves could talk and even abstract, which they can't, but let's give them 2 magical abilities, they would pick like the smartest wolf in their wolf pack and be like, you know, Bob the wolf.

“It's going to recursively re architect itself and start expanding into all of the domains of intelligence we don't know anything about. And then we will see really what intelligence is and just to use that really quick just by analogy, like if wolves could talk and even abstract, which they can't, but let's give them 2 magical abilities, they would pick like the smartest wolf in their wolf pack and be like, you know, Bob the wolf.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

32 / commitment

I think what you and I are gonna crack into which we probably couldn't discuss on a podcast, we'd have to sit down and draw things out together, is a mutually agreed upon complete definition of what understanding means.

“I think what you and I are gonna crack into which we probably couldn't discuss on a podcast, we'd have to sit down and draw things out together, is a mutually agreed upon complete definition of what understanding means.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

33 / evaluation

It does a great job of at least giving you things to think about. But I will say, know, I think prompting guides are like being a zip disk expert in the nineties.

“It does a great job of at least giving you things to think about. But I will say, know, I think prompting guides are like being a zip disk expert in the nineties.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

34 / evaluation

Knowledge decays very, very quickly. And that's actually a good thing because it's the way that we can adapt our strategies because things that don't work die off.

“Knowledge decays very, very quickly. And that's actually a good thing because it's the way that we can adapt our strategies because things that don't work die off.”
Speaker
Tim Scarfe
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

35 / prediction

I don't want that. And it's gonna do that and then so by the time it finishes doing that in 2045, it doesn't need to kill anyone because all the humans are fused with the machine intellect and everyone's vibing a ton.

“I don't want that. And it's gonna do that and then so by the time it finishes doing that in 2045, it doesn't need to kill anyone because all the humans are fused with the machine intellect and everyone's vibing a ton.”
Speaker
Mike Israetel
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk

36 / evaluation

And we'll move to the next level of our evolution. And in a sense, I think, even though I don't agree with it, because I think even with Neuralink, there's bandwidth problems.

“And we'll move to the next level of our evolution. And in a sense, I think, even though I don't agree with it, because I think even with Neuralink, there's bandwidth problems.”
Speaker
Tim Scarfe
Publisher
Machine Learning Street Talk
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