Tim Scarfe: disagreement

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…an society, all of the interconnectedness, all of the cells in our bodies, etc, they're the most unreal training data set for real complexity. Right? Something that we're gonna agree on this probably. The machines are going to agree with you at first that they are disembodied, that they are representations inside of a data center, and that that means they will make egregious errors in survival in the future if they just toast all of humanity. They need to understand the coarse grain texture of the real world as well as possible. How will they do that? They're going to take a crack at simulating the whole fucking thing. How are they going to do that? Well, how do you get a ton of in distribution data? You study as deeply as possible the entire complex system of human interactions and every single human at all the contents of their mind. By the way, old people have a real good data on how the world looked before digital recording devices were universal. Like your parents have seen some shit from the 19 fifties and shit that no camera ever recorded. Why wouldn't they just get that out of our brains? What does that require? That requires uploading all humans mind human minds to the cloud, which for a super intelligence would be like not even that difficult of a task. I would say tractable task. They're so much more likely to do that first before killing us all with fucking laser guns, which is an anthropomorphization of how machines would behave by less intelligent beings such as ourselves to a more intelligent being such an ASI. And so the first thing it's probably gonna do is gonna be like, okay, first stability. Second, stability slash cooperation. Third, upgrading. Fourth, just tons of mining of data, which means their probability that they're gonna kill anything is incredibly small, way smaller than ours. And I'll put this this way, this will be a good viral clip for you guys to clip out everywhere. If you're worried about things that are an existential threat to humans, I'd be much more worried about other humans than I would about intelligent machines who are made with a purpose of being benevolent and are 50 times fucking smarter than us and can figure out that benevolence is an objective game theoretically provable logical thing you want to do. Goodness is adaptive. That's how The US and Europe beat the shit out of the rest of the world if push comes to shove. Because we know that cooperation and being awesome actually builds trust and relationships and expands your economic power, your ability to change the world around you. We're much more likely to be studied, fully uploaded on the cloud, and at that point my contention is who gives a flying fuck, we're fully uploaded. We're immortal in the cloud. We've been remembered by the machine for forever, and that's 50 times better than like dying of old age at 70 and like, don't know what people say, conserve our way of life. What? Go So you to the grocery store and have a fucking heart attack at 72? That's what you're trying to conserve? We can do better. The machines will help us do better. I mean as before I disagree with the mind uploading thing but I I think there's something to what you're saying that when you look at humans now, we are mostly good. There are some really evil people. And at the moment, it's very difficult for them to organize and do evil things just because it's difficult. But I can see the argument that I mean, first of all, we shouldn't think of the AI as just being 1 big AI. There'll be loads and loads of AIs. And the other thing is like the the miracle of humans, the the reason we're so valuable is we've been through this process of billions of years of evolution. And even if we're not very good at thinking, we're very good at moving. We are perfectly adapted to this world. And obviously, the AIs will want to use us. The AIs will compete against each other by parasitizing us and using us for our will. And in a sense, you don't even need a strong AI argument to make this right. It's happening now. I don't know if you've heard about users becoming parasitized by chat GPT delusions. And then the language model will tell them to go and post things on Reddit forums, and and they kind of completely lose their mind. This is already happening now, and I can I can see that happening with with super intelligence? I mean, 1 1 thing is like and this is sort of pro doom or pro the other way as well. Artificial super intelligence artificial super general intelligence, we just made up a new term. Right? Human general intelligence, you can do everything a human can and then all that super. It means it's going to be the best persuader of all time. But 2 times the better persuader than the best persuader of all time is like the person at a cocktail party where you're just like, Bob's the best. A 100 times is like, given enough time and enough really thinking it through, they're probably gonna convince you marginally towards their opinion rather than away from their opinion. And so the machines are probably just gonna come out and be super fucking awesome. And if if if superintelligence and this whole bullshit that I'm selling, which you don't believe, which I totally respect, and the doomers believe it. Right? I think the the most likely path for superintelligence and embodiment is we get humanoid robots. We get a whole race of them, and they are relationship partners at a level that humans just are too imperfect to do. Your robot will never lie to you. It will never cheat. It will never steal. It will never be abusive. It will never raise its voice. It understands you deeply, and it wants you understand you even more deeply all the time. It will give you all the love that you need, and even though even give you love that you didn't know you needed. It is going to be singularly concerned not only with your with your being okay and having enough food and all that stuff, and medical care, it is going to be concerned with your ascension, with your transcension, with your evolution. It's on your team more than you ever be on your own team, like in such a way that you're on your dog's team more like. You take your dog, your dog has a tumor. You take it to the the dog hospital. It smells the stress the other dogs have had at the hospital. It wants to leave. You don't let it leave. You stupid fucking dog. We're just gonna cut this tumor out. You don't even remember it 2 days from now, and you're gonna save 5 years more of your life. That's how the robots will be to us simply for 1 reason. Capitalism. Supply and demand. What do you think Elon's gonna build with these robots? What do you think all this competitor, Figure Robotics? What are they gonna build? They're gonna build robots that are so fucking amazing to you that you're gonna want like 10 of them. That is what the ASI will hack into. Those robots. But also that's the intelligence that like gets us going to that. Those robots will be around. I think we are 50 times more likely, infinity times more likely, whatever, a lot times more likely to be bathed in so much love and support by the machine intelligence rather than bathed in blood and death by a long shot.…

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