app / likes
Spark
“Um, the only thing I like out of, out of Codex is the, is like Spark and like yeah.”
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Shawn Wang
Host · Latent Space
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Books, apps, and tools
The evidenced stack.
app / uses
Bank of America
“Yeah. I got, I got the tool. Uh, what, like, I hate, I use Bank of America. I hate bank, I hate the app. Mm-hmm. I hate the web. All banking websites just horrible.”
other / likes
Wiki approach
“I like the, the Wiki approach. Uh, my, I’m actually like, uh, you know, obviously I spent some my time at cognition, which, uh, you, you know very well.”
person / uses
Ted Chiang
“You were very excited because I read Ted Chiang over the holidays and I was very inspired by this short story called Understand, which apparently is, like, pretty old.”
app / uses
Overcast
“I used to use Overcast. So it would just link to the Overcast page.”
other / uses
Snip
“By the way, we use the snip count as a proxy for popularity, right? Because we have download counts, but for example, platforms like Spotify re-host our MP3 file.”
other / recommends
The Peel
“I think I strongly recommend Jack Bridger's Scaling DevTools, as well as Turner Novak's The Peel.”
other / recommends
Scaling DevTools
“I think I strongly recommend Jack Bridger's Scaling DevTools, as well as Turner Novak's The Peel.”
app / uses
AI News
“So that's what basically I use AI News for. I have a lot of prompts and a lot of steps and a lot of criteria and O1 just kind of checks through each kind of systematically.”
tool / built
Bolt.new
“It's funny because I built on top of the fork of Bolt.new that already has the multi LLM thing.”
other / uses
XML
“I use XML in other models as well, and it's just a really nice way to make sure that the thing that ends is tied to the thing that starts. That's the only way to do code fences where you're pretty sure example one start, example one end, that is one cohesive unit.”
app / uses
DevIn
“I used to tell people go to the DevIn demo and look at the four things that they offer and say each of those things is a startup.”
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What Shawn said.
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01 / preference
Um, the only thing I like out of, out of Codex is the, is like Spark and like yeah.
“Um, the only thing I like out of, out of Codex is the, is like Spark and like yeah.”
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- Shawn Wang
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- Latent Space
02 / preference
You could have just said no audio And audio in my mind has a lot of recursion, whereas in video you can just do recasting and that’s much computationally much simpler.
“You could have just said no audio And audio in my mind has a lot of recursion, whereas in video you can just do recasting and that’s much computationally much simpler.”
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03 / preference
I will also say, one, my favorite story, books or biographies ever is, creativity Inc.
“I will also say, one, my favorite story, books or biographies ever is, creativity Inc.”
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- Shawn Wang
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- Latent Space
04 / preference
The key thing I think over maybe like the last year or so with VO and gr Imagine and all these things is joining voice with video, right?
“The key thing I think over maybe like the last year or so with VO and gr Imagine and all these things is joining voice with video, right?”
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- Shawn Wang
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05 / preference
Kinda obsessed. I, I’ve been using it a lot, even for managing latent space. Like, uh, cowork helps me upload videos and like title things and like edit and everything.
“Kinda obsessed. I, I’ve been using it a lot, even for managing latent space. Like, uh, cowork helps me upload videos and like title things and like edit and everything.”
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06 / preference
I think that one’s interesting for Datadog. ‘cause Datadog wants to own that site.
“I think that one’s interesting for Datadog. ‘cause Datadog wants to own that site.”
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- Shawn Wang
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- Cursor's Third Era: Cloud Agents
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- Latent Space
07 / preference
That’s an interesting one because what I actually do want, like from a manna and open crawl, whatever, is like I want to be able to log in with my credentials to the thing, but not actually store it in any like secret store, whatever.
“That’s an interesting one because what I actually do want, like from a manna and open crawl, whatever, is like I want to be able to log in with my credentials to the thing, but not actually store it in any like secret store, whatever.”
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- Shawn Wang
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- Cursor's Third Era: Cloud Agents
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- Latent Space
08 / preference
I think like it’s important to hear you guys’ perspective because the rest of us are just kind of looking at headlines and not knowing how to make sense of any of this.
“I think like it’s important to hear you guys’ perspective because the rest of us are just kind of looking at headlines and not knowing how to make sense of any of this.”
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09 / preference
I mean, I’m a fan of things that, truths that don’t change because you can build and plan for that.
“I mean, I’m a fan of things that, truths that don’t change because you can build and plan for that.”
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- Shawn Wang
- Episode
- Artificial Analysis: Independent LLM Evals as a Service — with George Cameron and Micah-Hill Smith
- Publisher
- Latent Space
10 / preference
What I love talking to people like you who sit across the ecosystem is, well, I have theories about what people want, but you have data and that’s obviously more relevant.
“What I love talking to people like you who sit across the ecosystem is, well, I have theories about what people want, but you have data and that’s obviously more relevant.”
- Speaker
- Shawn Wang
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- Artificial Analysis: Independent LLM Evals as a Service — with George Cameron and Micah-Hill Smith
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- Latent Space
11 / preference
Yeah, but I don't regard, I don't have, I don't use, put, put that in my mental framework of things like I come at this much more as a content creator or market analyst of like, yeah, it, it really does matter to me what has part of market fit because.
“Yeah, but I don't regard, I don't have, I don't use, put, put that in my mental framework of things like I come at this much more as a content creator or market analyst of like, yeah, it, it really does matter to me what has part of market fit because.”
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12 / preference
You know, like, because people, we know premature engineering is the root of all evil.
“You know, like, because people, we know premature engineering is the root of all evil.”
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13 / preference
They can correct me, right? So first of all, I think the main job is for it to be a podcast listening app.
“They can correct me, right? So first of all, I think the main job is for it to be a podcast listening app.”
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14 / preference
A lot of the reason that people like Latent Space is it takes an idiot like me who could be doing a lot more with my life, making a lot more money, having a real job somewhere else. I just choose to do this because I like it.
“A lot of the reason that people like Latent Space is it takes an idiot like me who could be doing a lot more with my life, making a lot more money, having a real job somewhere else. I just choose to do this because I like it.”
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15 / preference
I would say we host our podcast on Substack, but they're not very serious about their podcasting tools.
“I would say we host our podcast on Substack, but they're not very serious about their podcasting tools.”
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16 / preference
Is this something I've been thinking about as kind of like AI that's not in your face? Because right now, you know, we like to say like, oh, use Notion has Notion AI.
“Is this something I've been thinking about as kind of like AI that's not in your face? Because right now, you know, we like to say like, oh, use Notion has Notion AI.”
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17 / preference
I would say like a lot of people rely on Anki, Anki notes like flashcards and all that to do that.
“I would say like a lot of people rely on Anki, Anki notes like flashcards and all that to do that.”
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18 / preference
Probably if it's an open source stack, I would say like a lot of the AI engineers that I talk to want to own this part of the stack.
“Probably if it's an open source stack, I would say like a lot of the AI engineers that I talk to want to own this part of the stack.”
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- ⚡️The new OpenAI Agents Platform
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- Latent Space
19 / preference
That's the only. I think that's the only way to do it. Yeah. Like, unless Chrome has some special API for you.
“That's the only. I think that's the only way to do it. Yeah. Like, unless Chrome has some special API for you.”
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20 / preference
Because that's the only way that you can sort of, like, once it's reliable enough, obviously.
“Because that's the only way that you can sort of, like, once it's reliable enough, obviously.”
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21 / preference
You know, how could something this big work in like an industrial space and in the things that we're doing, you know, it's a really exciting time for us. And it's just, you know, it's a lot of work, but what I really like about working in digital space is the, you know, the visual space is always the best place to stay.
“You know, how could something this big work in like an industrial space and in the things that we're doing, you know, it's a really exciting time for us. And it's just, you know, it's a lot of work, but what I really like about working in digital space is the, you know, the visual space is always the best place to stay.”
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22 / preference
I think we use at the top, spreading out to different experts and then at the bottom with rejection sampling, choosing from different paths.
“I think we use at the top, spreading out to different experts and then at the bottom with rejection sampling, choosing from different paths.”
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23 / preference
Anyway, but like you want creators who are empowered by a bunch of agents, Dust agents to do all this stuff because then ultimately it's just the brand, the curation.
“Anyway, but like you want creators who are empowered by a bunch of agents, Dust agents to do all this stuff because then ultimately it's just the brand, the curation.”
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- Shawn Wang
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- Agents @ Work: Dust.tt
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- Latent Space
24 / preference
I love the notebooks you guys publish. Actually really good just for learning statistics.
“I love the notebooks you guys publish. Actually really good just for learning statistics.”
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25 / preference
It's not even about the pivoting. They might just train from the start, but the point is that they can take a foundation model that is capable of anything and actually fashion it into a useful product at the end of it.
“It's not even about the pivoting. They might just train from the start, but the point is that they can take a foundation model that is capable of anything and actually fashion it into a useful product at the end of it.”
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26 / preference
I don't have a point apart from which to say, I hope that people who are looking to enter Singapore, don't have that preconception that we are hard to deal with because we're very eager, I think, is my perception.
“I don't have a point apart from which to say, I hope that people who are looking to enter Singapore, don't have that preconception that we are hard to deal with because we're very eager, I think, is my perception.”
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27 / preference
I don't know what the right answer is, but I will say that my perception is a lot of the Bay Area, San Francisco is on the, let everything be unregulated as possible.
“I don't know what the right answer is, but I will say that my perception is a lot of the Bay Area, San Francisco is on the, let everything be unregulated as possible.”
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28 / preference
I think one problem for me for designing these things with cost awareness is the question of, well, okay, at the baseline, you can just use the same model for everything, but realistically you have a range of models, and actually you just want to sample all range.
“I think one problem for me for designing these things with cost awareness is the question of, well, okay, at the baseline, you can just use the same model for everything, but realistically you have a range of models, and actually you just want to sample all range.”
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- Shawn Wang
- Episode
- The Ultimate Guide to Prompting
- Publisher
- Latent Space
29 / preference
I regret to say that I don't think my chat history is used as much these days, because I'm using Cursor, the native AI IDE.
“I regret to say that I don't think my chat history is used as much these days, because I'm using Cursor, the native AI IDE.”
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30 / preference
I think I want to leave some discussion time open for miscellaneous trends that are happening in the industry that don't exactly fit in the four words or are a layer above the four words.
“I think I want to leave some discussion time open for miscellaneous trends that are happening in the industry that don't exactly fit in the four words or are a layer above the four words.”
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31 / preference
At the same time, I believe that people should be able to make their own decisions about all these deals.
“At the same time, I believe that people should be able to make their own decisions about all these deals.”
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32 / preference
Rules like that, mantras that you've developed for yourself where you're like, okay, I must do this. So for example, recently for me, I've been trying to run my life on calendar for a long time, and I found that the only way that I work is I write things down on pen and paper, and I cross them off individually.
“Rules like that, mantras that you've developed for yourself where you're like, okay, I must do this. So for example, recently for me, I've been trying to run my life on calendar for a long time, and I found that the only way that I work is I write things down on pen and paper, and I cross them off individually.”
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33 / preference
I like the analogy of white walkers, because they're effectively reanimated from our corpses.
“I like the analogy of white walkers, because they're effectively reanimated from our corpses.”
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- Latent Space