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Austan Goolsbee on Central Banking as a Data Dog

25 Jun 2025 24 published claims 2 attributable people

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04 / belief

The real sector of the economy, and that’s not FDIC insured, and a lot of that is, in fact, runs-prone, as we learned in 2008, so you’ve just got to be hyper, super nervous.

“The real sector of the economy, and that’s not FDIC insured, and a lot of that is, in fact, runs-prone, as we learned in 2008, so you’ve just got to be hyper, super nervous.”
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Tyler Cowen
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06 / belief

Your argument is, in some sense, stablecoins are shadow banks, and the disintermediation of community banks or the like will create a lot of upheaval, and there will be a lot of jockeying in a world like that, and I agree.

“Your argument is, in some sense, stablecoins are shadow banks, and the disintermediation of community banks or the like will create a lot of upheaval, and there will be a lot of jockeying in a world like that, and I agree.”
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Austan Goolsbee
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08 / evaluation

There are slight differences in terms of maturity and liquidity profiles, but it could be like the proverbial swap of two nickels for a dime. Maybe money just doesn’t matter.

“There are slight differences in terms of maturity and liquidity profiles, but it could be like the proverbial swap of two nickels for a dime. Maybe money just doesn’t matter.”
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Tyler Cowen
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11 / belief

There is a risk of over-anticipation of productivity growth that, if equity values surge and business investment surges in AI infrastructure-type capital investment on the anticipation of the bounty that is to come, I think there’s a high danger that you encounter the over-capacity, the capacity constraint problem that we always face in the short run when you get a surge in demand.

“There is a risk of over-anticipation of productivity growth that, if equity values surge and business investment surges in AI infrastructure-type capital investment on the anticipation of the bounty that is to come, I think there’s a high danger that you encounter the over-capacity, the capacity constraint problem that we always face in the short run when you get a surge in demand.”
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Austan Goolsbee
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13 / uncertainty

Think of it as a higher-brow prefab housing, turning construction more into manufactured good, and that the regulations, in some sense, have forced an inefficient scale on our producers, but I don’t know.

“Think of it as a higher-brow prefab housing, turning construction more into manufactured good, and that the regulations, in some sense, have forced an inefficient scale on our producers, but I don’t know.”
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Austan Goolsbee
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14 / belief

Let’s back up and try to look at big countries that are not export-oriented, that are primarily domestically driven like the United States. I think imports are what, 10 percent, 12 percent of personal consumption.

“Let’s back up and try to look at big countries that are not export-oriented, that are primarily domestically driven like the United States. I think imports are what, 10 percent, 12 percent of personal consumption.”
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Austan Goolsbee
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15 / evaluation

Then let’s back up to a little bit to how the Fed is created. It was made in 1913, so it’s a little bit kludgy, and like every politically created thing, it involves some compromises, but there are a couple of pieces, I think are genius, or at least very durable, important contributions about how the Fed is built that we should not lose.

“Then let’s back up to a little bit to how the Fed is created. It was made in 1913, so it’s a little bit kludgy, and like every politically created thing, it involves some compromises, but there are a couple of pieces, I think are genius, or at least very durable, important contributions about how the Fed is built that we should not lose.”
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Austan Goolsbee
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16 / evaluation

I think the thought that Grandma is going to have a CBDC and forget her password, and the Fed is going to have a customer service line that Grandma’s going to call and say, “How do I get my password back?

“I think the thought that Grandma is going to have a CBDC and forget her password, and the Fed is going to have a customer service line that Grandma’s going to call and say, “How do I get my password back?”
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Austan Goolsbee
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18 / evaluation

By trying to keep banks special, haven’t we created a world where 80 percent of the lending is outside banks, which is much harder for the Fed to deal with, even if you should sometimes step in, and that at the current margin, it’s counterproductive to keep banks legally special because we drive more and more business out of banks.

“By trying to keep banks special, haven’t we created a world where 80 percent of the lending is outside banks, which is much harder for the Fed to deal with, even if you should sometimes step in, and that at the current margin, it’s counterproductive to keep banks legally special because we drive more and more business out of banks.”
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Tyler Cowen
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21 / evaluation

My view has been more, part of the job of the Reserve Bank presidents is we have a district, and our district in Chicago is heart of the Midwest — most of Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan.

“My view has been more, part of the job of the Reserve Bank presidents is we have a district, and our district in Chicago is heart of the Midwest — most of Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan.”
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Austan Goolsbee
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Conversations with Tyler

23 / evaluation

The fact that in March of ’23, the big banks were not the problem, I think a lot has to do with all of the efforts that were put in place to raise capital at those larger banks.

“The fact that in March of ’23, the big banks were not the problem, I think a lot has to do with all of the efforts that were put in place to raise capital at those larger banks.”
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Austan Goolsbee
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24 / prediction

If we start attaching risky things to the payment system, now I’m getting nervous because we know that in financial crises, we must make sure that people can still make their payments, that they’re not getting evicted, and they make their house payment, or they can buy groceries, or they can buy whatever.

“If we start attaching risky things to the payment system, now I’m getting nervous because we know that in financial crises, we must make sure that people can still make their payments, that they’re not getting evicted, and they make their house payment, or they can buy groceries, or they can buy whatever.”
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Austan Goolsbee
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