Evidence receipt / belief
Published · transcript-backedAustan Goolsbee: belief
25 Jun 2025 Conversations with Tyler Austan Goolsbee on Central Banking as a Data Dog
“Let’s back up and try to look at big countries that are not export-oriented, that are primarily domestically driven like the United States. I think imports are what, 10 percent, 12 percent of personal consumption.”
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- Austan Goolsbee
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- 25 Jun 2025
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…But if it was mostly supply, a supply shock would’ve gotten them out of the earlier deflation, right? A demand shock would not have. Let’s back up and try to look at big countries that are not export-oriented, that are primarily domestically driven like the United States. I think imports are what, 10 percent, 12 percent of personal consumption. You take Nigeria, you take India, you take a series of big economies that are primarily domestically driven. Why was inflation high in all of these places simultaneously? I do think there’s a puzzle. I don’t think it’s 100 percent supply. I do think there was a serious demand component, but you’ve still got to explain when the demand stimulus rolls off, inflation doesn’t go down, and then when the negative supply shock rolls off, inflation does go down. I’m still curious about it, but I find the argument that this was predominantly or entirely demand unpersuasive for some of those reasons. Let me try a question from the other extreme. Why does money matter at all? Isn’t it a very close substitute for T-bills? You’re paying interest on reserves. You balance that rate with other interest rates. There are slight differences in terms of maturity and liquidity profiles, but it could be like the proverbial swap of two nickels for a dime. Maybe money just doesn’t matter. Could you teach me why that’s wrong?…
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