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Lunch with Fuchsia Dunlop at Mama Chang (Bonus)

13 Nov 2019 25 published claims 5 attributable people

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01 / belief

We’re now just having another period of flowering, but with increased transport links, of course, it’s faster and crazier and more international. But I think you’re right that the big difference with Chinese food in the West is that you no longer have a community of mainly Cantonese American Chinese people who are catering for Western tastes and who don’t have access to many local ingredients apart from dried and preserved food, which they could import very early on.

“We’re now just having another period of flowering, but with increased transport links, of course, it’s faster and crazier and more international. But I think you’re right that the big difference with Chinese food in the West is that you no longer have a community of mainly Cantonese American Chinese people who are catering for Western tastes and who don’t have access to many local ingredients apart from dried and preserved food, which they could import very early on.”
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Fuchsia Dunlop
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05 / belief

In Taiwan in particular, bread is just infused with local ingredients like Long An 龙眼or local wine, tea. I think that that’s the greatest marriage of technique and ideas.

“In Taiwan in particular, bread is just infused with local ingredients like Long An 龙眼or local wine, tea. I think that that’s the greatest marriage of technique and ideas.”
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Pichet Ong
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06 / belief

Just to put that in context — in the ’90s, China was really just beginning to open up. So in Chengdu, this provincial capital city, there were only, I think, a couple of hundred foreigners.

“Just to put that in context — in the ’90s, China was really just beginning to open up. So in Chengdu, this provincial capital city, there were only, I think, a couple of hundred foreigners.”
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Fuchsia Dunlop
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11 / belief

The first Chinese restaurant to win three Michelin stars was one in a fancy hotel in Hong Kong that did a tasting menu of courses which one person could enjoy. But I think chefs in China — as they become more internationally minded, they do feel a bit hard done by.

“The first Chinese restaurant to win three Michelin stars was one in a fancy hotel in Hong Kong that did a tasting menu of courses which one person could enjoy. But I think chefs in China — as they become more internationally minded, they do feel a bit hard done by.”
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Fuchsia Dunlop
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13 / belief

I think now the Chinese cuisine itself doesn’t have a boundary between the way they cook it in China and the way they cook it in the US, American Chinese cuisine versus the authentic Chinese cuisine.

“I think now the Chinese cuisine itself doesn’t have a boundary between the way they cook it in China and the way they cook it in the US, American Chinese cuisine versus the authentic Chinese cuisine.”
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Lydia Chang
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14 / belief

For some strange reason, for me, in Asia it has taken a slower growth, especially in Thailand, where you almost never see Sichuan restaurant. It’s ironic because you mentioned the complexity of the flavor profile, and I agree with you.

“For some strange reason, for me, in Asia it has taken a slower growth, especially in Thailand, where you almost never see Sichuan restaurant. It’s ironic because you mentioned the complexity of the flavor profile, and I agree with you.”
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Pichet Ong
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16 / evaluation

I like to explain to people that there’s fashion in cooking, just like there’s fashion in anything else, and they age and they grow and they reference the past.

“I like to explain to people that there’s fashion in cooking, just like there’s fashion in anything else, and they age and they grow and they reference the past.”
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David Hagedorn
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18 / prediction

It will take over the world, yeah. [laughter] And sansho is another variety. In the countryside in China, I’ve stayed in farmhouses where people use wild varieties of Sichuan pepper, and they add them to their green tea, for example.

“It will take over the world, yeah. [laughter] And sansho is another variety. In the countryside in China, I’ve stayed in farmhouses where people use wild varieties of Sichuan pepper, and they add them to their green tea, for example.”
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Fuchsia Dunlop
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19 / evaluation

I think that sometimes the excess of Chinese dining out, with tables laden with dishes, which is something the Chinese government is actually trying to curb now — there’s a campaign to make people waste less food and eat what’s on the table — but that’s a reaction to the period of deprivation.

“I think that sometimes the excess of Chinese dining out, with tables laden with dishes, which is something the Chinese government is actually trying to curb now — there’s a campaign to make people waste less food and eat what’s on the table — but that’s a reaction to the period of deprivation.”
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Fuchsia Dunlop
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20 / evaluation

Absolutely amazing. But the only thing was, they served it with a little dish of ma la pickled radish, which is a really unpleasant flavor combination, in my opinion.

“Absolutely amazing. But the only thing was, they served it with a little dish of ma la pickled radish, which is a really unpleasant flavor combination, in my opinion.”
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Fuchsia Dunlop
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21 / evaluation

Since the reform and opening up in the ’90s, there are Sichuan restaurants all over the country, and people are crazy for ma la. But I think one of the reasons is that it’s so stimulating, and people now — particularly in cities — they have such a dizzying choice of different foods they can eat, and ma la is a flavor that holds its own in a very crowded marketplace.

“Since the reform and opening up in the ’90s, there are Sichuan restaurants all over the country, and people are crazy for ma la. But I think one of the reasons is that it’s so stimulating, and people now — particularly in cities — they have such a dizzying choice of different foods they can eat, and ma la is a flavor that holds its own in a very crowded marketplace.”
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Fuchsia Dunlop
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23 / prediction

I think, if one looks at it cynically, the spread of hot pot is partly because it’s very cheap and easy for consumers, but also it’s very cheap and easy for restaurateurs because you don’t need skilled chefs.

“I think, if one looks at it cynically, the spread of hot pot is partly because it’s very cheap and easy for consumers, but also it’s very cheap and easy for restaurateurs because you don’t need skilled chefs.”
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Fuchsia Dunlop
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