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The AI paradox: More automation, more humans, more work | Dan Shipper

24 May 2026 20 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / recommendation

Recommends The Writing Life. Recommends History of World War II. Recommends The Rigor of Angels.

“Obviously Annie Dillard. Everyone at every has to read The Writing Life. When you join, you get a copy and you have to read it. You only have to read the last chapter though. I think the last chapter is incredible, and it is at the intersection of writing and technology and the future and its relationship to the future and to time. It's everything about every wrapped up into a very tight chapter. It's so good. And I think Annie Dillard just generally is fantastic. What else do I recommend? I'll just tell you a couple things that I've read that I've really liked recently, and whenever I like something, I always just tell everyone about it. So I have recommended these a lot. I've been reading... One of the things I learned, which I didn't know is Churchill is a really good writer and he has a whole history of World War II that he wrote and it's like a combination history and memoir. And I think that's so cool because he was there, he did it. And there's something about what we do at everywhere. I feel some sort of kinship with that of like we're building stuff, we're writing stuff and it's very rare to find people that also do that. And so Churchill History of World War II is fantastic. I just finished the first volume. I'm on the second volume. The Nazis just invaded France. It's very captivating stuff. So that's one. I've been on a little bit of a quantum physics kick recently. AI is actually very good for quantum physics if you get into it. And there's this book called The Rigor of Angels that I just finished, which is, it's a history of ideas that relates Heisenberg, who has his uncertainty principle. Borges, who's an Argentinian fiction writer, wrote a bunch of great short stories. They're actually starting to get a lot of play now because they're very AI related. And Cont and very cool, super mind-blowing. Lots of interesting overlaps with AI stuff and, yeah, highly recommend.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

02 / belief

Let's fix that." And so there's certain kinds of engineers that I think love that and love having their hands on the latest thing and also love making this being that's in a workspace and it looks a bit different than more traditional, building more traditional software.

“Let's fix that." And so there's certain kinds of engineers that I think love that and love having their hands on the latest thing and also love making this being that's in a workspace and it looks a bit different than more traditional, building more traditional software.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

03 / uncertainty

I think the definition programmer is expanding enough that they'll have a big market, but I don't know that they're going to jump into like, "Okay, use this to make a slide deck," or whatever.

“I think the definition programmer is expanding enough that they'll have a big market, but I don't know that they're going to jump into like, "Okay, use this to make a slide deck," or whatever.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

06 / commitment

Dan makes a lot of bold predictions and many quite contrarian takes that I was not expecting him to say. And we are going to revisit this conversation exactly a year from today to see how much he got right.

“Dan makes a lot of bold predictions and many quite contrarian takes that I was not expecting him to say. And we are going to revisit this conversation exactly a year from today to see how much he got right.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

08 / belief

Sorry, the blue bubbles on OpenClaw, if you can use it with your iPhone, but I think there's this little thing in people's heads where they really like to keep their personal and work agents separate.

“Sorry, the blue bubbles on OpenClaw, if you can use it with your iPhone, but I think there's this little thing in people's heads where they really like to keep their personal and work agents separate.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

13 / evaluation

How do I use this to make something new and interesting? And I really think that structurally because of the way the models work, because of the financial incentives of model companies to make them compliant and aligned, structurally they're always going to be trailing behind those people who are taking the models and using them to make new expertise or make new things that haven't been done that way before for their very, very particular situation.

“How do I use this to make something new and interesting? And I really think that structurally because of the way the models work, because of the financial incentives of model companies to make them compliant and aligned, structurally they're always going to be trailing behind those people who are taking the models and using them to make new expertise or make new things that haven't been done that way before for their very, very particular situation.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

14 / prediction

I think you can, and there's another really interesting bifurcation of this that we should talk about, which is that having two agents is better than one. But I think for now there's this really cool thing where with Proof, for example, anyone who uses it, I don't pay for tokens because they bring their AI to Proof.

“I think you can, and there's another really interesting bifurcation of this that we should talk about, which is that having two agents is better than one. But I think for now there's this really cool thing where with Proof, for example, anyone who uses it, I don't pay for tokens because they bring their AI to Proof.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

17 / prediction

One last thing that I think is really interesting is I think that we will be reading way more AI generated writing in documents and emails and we will like it.

“One last thing that I think is really interesting is I think that we will be reading way more AI generated writing in documents and emails and we will like it.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

18 / preference

I'm very curious and I'm super all-in on AI." And what that does, I think, is it creates this little pocket of the future where we're all living in it together and we get to be a little bit further ahead because at any other company, there's a mix of people.

“I'm very curious and I'm super all-in on AI." And what that does, I think, is it creates this little pocket of the future where we're all living in it together and we get to be a little bit further ahead because at any other company, there's a mix of people.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

19 / evaluation

Well, one of the things that's really interesting is a lot of companies handicap their employees from even doing this because I don't know if you can use the latest models at Salesforce.

“Well, one of the things that's really interesting is a lot of companies handicap their employees from even doing this because I don't know if you can use the latest models at Salesforce.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

20 / evaluation

One of the things I learned, which I didn't know is Churchill is a really good writer and he has a whole history of World War II that he wrote and it's like a combination history and memoir. And I think that's so cool because he was there, he did it.

“One of the things I learned, which I didn't know is Churchill is a really good writer and he has a whole history of World War II that he wrote and it's like a combination history and memoir. And I think that's so cool because he was there, he did it.”
Speaker
Dan Shipper
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast
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