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24 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast The AI paradox: More automation, more humans, more work | Dan Shipper
“Dan makes a lot of bold predictions and many quite contrarian takes that I was not expecting him to say. And we are going to revisit this conversation exactly a year from today to see how much he got right.”
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- Lenny Rachitsky
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- 24 May 2026
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…We speed ran the CLI era. It was nice while it lasted, but I think CLIs are over. Today, my guest is Dan Shipper, CEO and founder of Every. Dan and his team are building maybe the most AI-forward startup out there and as a result are very much living in the future of how work is going to look as AI becomes a bigger and bigger part of our day-to-day. Everybody at their company, including every non-technical person, uses Codex and Cowork and Claude Code to get much of their work done. And this is why, way before anybody else, Dan saw the rise of Claude Code and what is now Cowork, which he predicted almost a year ago when he was on the podcast last time. So I asked Dan to come back on the podcast to share his current biggest predictions for how work is going to change over the coming year for most people. We chat about what work will look like at most companies at the end of this year, how the shape of the work we do will change and who will do best in this coming future/what you need to be working on right now. Hint, hint, product managers and designers are going to do very well. Dan makes a lot of bold predictions and many quite contrarian takes that I was not expecting him to say. And we are going to revisit this conversation exactly a year from today to see how much he got right. Before we get into it, do not forget to check out lennysproductpass.com for a free year of the hottest and most well-crafted AI products in the world available exclusively to Lenny's newsletter subscribers. With that, I bring you Dan Shipper. Dan, thank you so much for being here and welcome back to the podcast. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure to be with you.…
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