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24 May 2026 Lenny's Podcast The AI paradox: More automation, more humans, more work | Dan Shipper

“The only thing you need to do is ride the models and that means use them for whatever it is that you do.”

— Dan Shipper

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Dan Shipper
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24 May 2026
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Lenny's Podcast

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…People may be hearing in this prediction here of just, okay, the job apocalypse not going to, people are not going to be all fired. There's going to be human jobs remaining for quite a while. It may be almost too comforting because you probably have to change the way you operate to still have a job in the future. Do you have any sense of just like, here's what you need to do to not be one of these layoffs? Yes. And I think that is actually super important. The only thing you need to do is ride the models and that means use them for whatever it is that you do. We've talked about how Codex and Cowork are becoming the sort of standard operating system for work. If you're just doing that and when new models come out, you're trying them and figuring out, okay, now there are new powers. How can I use them? Instead of just being like, "I'm going to try to ignore it because it makes me afraid." Which I think is honestly, it's rational. It's a reasonable response. And also if you ride on top of them, they extend your powers in a way that doesn't leave you behind. You're part of the future and part of the way work happens. And I think that we're going to need people doing that for a very, very long time. I like this term, ride the model. So what's like say a new model comes out, what do you think someone say working at, I don't know, Salesforce? Say a PM at Salesforce, what should they do to ride the model?…

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