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Mark Zuckerberg — AI will write most Meta code in 18 months

29 Apr 2025 20 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / prediction

They feel more alone a lot of the time than they would like. So I think a lot of these things — things that today might have a little bit of stigma around them — over time, we'll find the vocabulary as a society to articulate why they are valuable, why the people who are doing them are rational for doing it, and how it is actually adding value to their lives.

“They feel more alone a lot of the time than they would like. So I think a lot of these things — things that today might have a little bit of stigma around them — over time, we'll find the vocabulary as a society to articulate why they are valuable, why the people who are doing them are rational for doing it, and how it is actually adding value to their lives.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

03 / belief

We need to get to the point where the average quality of the hypotheses that the AI is generating is better than all the things above the line that we’re actually able to test that the best humans on the team have been able to do, before it will even be marginally useful for it. We'll get there I think pretty quickly.

“We need to get to the point where the average quality of the hypotheses that the AI is generating is better than all the things above the line that we’re actually able to test that the best humans on the team have been able to do, before it will even be marginally useful for it. We'll get there I think pretty quickly.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

04 / belief

Being able to mix that in with the right personalization is going to lead toward a product experience where… If you fast-forward a few years, I think we're just going to be talking to AI throughout the day about different things we're wondering about.

“Being able to mix that in with the right personalization is going to lead toward a product experience where… If you fast-forward a few years, I think we're just going to be talking to AI throughout the day about different things we're wondering about.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

06 / belief

DeepSeek has the MIT license, whereas I think a couple of the contingencies in the Llama license require you to say "built with Llama" on applications using it or any model that you train using Llama has to begin with the word "Llama.

“DeepSeek has the MIT license, whereas I think a couple of the contingencies in the Llama license require you to say "built with Llama" on applications using it or any model that you train using Llama has to begin with the word "Llama.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

07 / belief

On the point of what the different labs are optimizing for — to steelman their view — I think a lot of them believe that once you fully automate software engineering and AI research, then you can kick off an intelligence explosion.

“On the point of what the different labs are optimizing for — to steelman their view — I think a lot of them believe that once you fully automate software engineering and AI research, then you can kick off an intelligence explosion.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

08 / belief

My view on this is that he's the President of the United States. Our default, as an American company, should be to try to have a productive relationship with whoever is running the government.

“My view on this is that he's the President of the United States. Our default, as an American company, should be to try to have a productive relationship with whoever is running the government.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

11 / commitment

For that, I'm sure we'll end up having a premium service. But I think our basic values on this are that we want to serve as many people in the world as possible.

“For that, I'm sure we'll end up having a premium service. But I think our basic values on this are that we want to serve as many people in the world as possible.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

15 / recommendation

I'm sure there will continue to be debates around this. But if you’re spending many billions of dollars training these models, I think asking the other companies — the huge ones that are similar in size and can easily afford to have a relationship with us — to talk to us before they use it seems like a pretty reasonable thing.

“I'm sure there will continue to be debates around this. But if you’re spending many billions of dollars training these models, I think asking the other companies — the huge ones that are similar in size and can easily afford to have a relationship with us — to talk to us before they use it seems like a pretty reasonable thing.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

16 / evaluation

This is the beauty of distillation. It's one of the things that I think has really emerged as a very powerful technique over the last year, since the last time we sat down.

“This is the beauty of distillation. It's one of the things that I think has really emerged as a very powerful technique over the last year, since the last time we sat down.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

17 / preference

If two of us are physically together and we have a third friend who’s hologramming in, they can participate too. But in that world too — just as you don't want your physical space to be cluttered because it wears on you psychologically — I don't think people are going to want their digital-physical space to feel that way either.

“If two of us are physically together and we have a third friend who’s hologramming in, they can participate too. But in that world too — just as you don't want your physical space to be cluttered because it wears on you psychologically — I don't think people are going to want their digital-physical space to feel that way either.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

18 / prediction

In general, the prediction that this would be the year open source generally overtakes closed source as the most used models out there, I think that's generally on track to be true.

“In general, the prediction that this would be the year open source generally overtakes closed source as the most used models out there, I think that's generally on track to be true.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

19 / prediction

Over time, Android has just gotten more and more closed. So if you're us, you need to worry that if we stop pushing the industry in this direction, all these other people… Maybe they’re only really doing it because they're trying to compete with us and the direction we’re pushing things.

“Over time, Android has just gotten more and more closed. So if you're us, you need to worry that if we stop pushing the industry in this direction, all these other people… Maybe they’re only really doing it because they're trying to compete with us and the direction we’re pushing things.”
Speaker
Mark Zuckerberg
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast
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