Mark Zuckerberg: preference

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…I did get a chance to check out Orion the other day, and I thought it was super impressive. I'm mostly optimistic about the technology. Generally, like you mentioned, I'm pretty libertarian about this. If people are doing something, they probably think it's good for them. Although, I actually don't know if it's the case that if somebody is using TikTok, they would say that they're happy with how much time they're spending on TikTok or something. I'm mostly optimistic about it in the sense that if we're going to be living in this future world of AGI, we need to be upgrading our capabilities too, with tools like this. And just generally, there can be more beauty in the world if you can see Studio Ghibli everywhere or something. I was worried about one of the flagship use cases that your team showed me. I'm sitting at the breakfast table and on the periphery of my vision is just a bunch of Reels that are scrolling by. Maybe in the future, my AI girlfriend is on the other side of the screen or something. So I am worried that we're just removing all the friction between getting totally reward-hacked by our technology. How do we make sure this is not what ends up happening in five years? Again, I think people have a good sense of what they want. That experience you saw was just a demo to show multitasking and holograms. I agree, I don't think the future is one where you have stuff that's trying to compete for your attention in the corner of your vision all the time. I don't think people would like that too much. As we're designing these glasses, it's actually one of the things that we're really mindful of. Probably the number one thing the glasses need to do is get out of the way and be good glasses. As an aside, I think that's part of the reason why the Ray-Ban Meta product has done so well. It's great for listening to music, taking phone calls, taking photos and videos. The AI is there when you want it. But when you don't, it's just a good-looking pair of glasses that people like. It gets out of the way well. I would guess that's going to be a very important design principle for the augmented reality future. The main thing that I see here is this. It's kind of crazy that, for how important the digital world is in all of our lives, the only way we access it is through these physical, digital screens. You have your phone, your computer. You can put a big TV on your wall. It's this huge physical thing. It just seems like we're at the point with technology where the physical and digital world should really be fully blended. That's what holographic overlays allow you to do. But I agree. I think a big part of the design principles around that will be around how you'll be interacting with people. You'll be able to bring digital artifacts into those interactions and do cool things very seamlessly. If I want to show you something, here’s a screen. We can interact with it. It can be 3D. We can play with it. You want to play a card game? All right, here’s a deck of cards. We can play with it. If two of us are physically together and we have a third friend who’s hologramming in, they can participate too. But in that world too — just as you don't want your physical space to be cluttered because it wears on you psychologically — I don't think people are going to want their digital-physical space to feel that way either. That's more of an aesthetic norm that will have to get worked out, but I think we’ll figure that out. Going back to the AI conversation, you were mentioning how big of a bottleneck the physical infrastructure can be. Related to other open-source models, like DeepSeek and so forth, DeepSeek right now has less compute than a lab like Meta and you could argue that it's competitive with the Llama models. If China is better at physical infrastructure, industrial scale-ups, getting more power and more data centers online, how worried are you that they might beat us here?…

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