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Mark Zuckerberg: belief

29 Apr 2025 Dwarkesh Podcast Mark Zuckerberg — AI will write most Meta code in 18 months

“We can talk about that too because we’re experimenting with some new ideas in there that I think are novel and worth talking through.”

— Mark Zuckerberg

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Mark Zuckerberg
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belief
Recorded
29 Apr 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

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…So if you buy this view, that this is where intelligence is headed, the reason to be bullish on Meta is obviously that you have all this distribution. You can also use that to learn more things that can be useful for training. You mentioned the Meta AI app now has a billion active users. Not the app. The app is a standalone thing that we're just launching now. It’ll be fun for people who want to use it. It's a cool experience. We can talk about that too because we’re experimenting with some new ideas in there that I think are novel and worth talking through. But I’m mostly talking about our apps. Meta AI is actually most used in WhatsApp. WhatsApp is mostly used outside of the U.S. We just passed like a hundred million people in the US, but it's not the primary messaging system in the US, iMessage is. So people in the U.S. probably tend to underestimate Meta AI usage somewhat. But part of the reason the standalone app is going to be so important is because the US, for a lot of reasons, is one of the most important countries. And the fact that WhatsApp is the main way people are using Meta AI and that's not the main messaging system in the US means we need another way to build a first-class experience that's really in front of people. And I guess, to finish the question, the bearish case would be that if the future of AI is less about just answering your questions and more about being a virtual coworker, then it's not clear how Meta AI inside of WhatsApp gives you the relevant training data to make a fully autonomous programmer or remote worker. In that case, does it not matter that much who has more distribution right now with LLMs?…

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