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Sarah Paine — Why Japan lost WWII (lecture & interview)

23 Jan 2025 26 published claims 2 attributable people
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Sarah PaineDwarkesh Patel

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05 / uncertainty

I don't know the answer, because I'm not a social historian where you would really be doing- I've always done more diplomatic and military, so you're looking top-down.

“I don't know the answer, because I'm not a social historian where you would really be doing- I've always done more diplomatic and military, so you're looking top-down.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

07 / belief

You want them just to quit and somehow you're gonna break their will to resist. And I suspect this is what the Japanese thought they were doing in the Rape of Nanjing and other atrocities.

“You want them just to quit and somehow you're gonna break their will to resist. And I suspect this is what the Japanese thought they were doing in the Rape of Nanjing and other atrocities.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

11 / belief

One of the things I learned from your book is that the overwhelming fraction of deaths on the Japanese side during the war happened after it was known that they were going to lose.

“One of the things I learned from your book is that the overwhelming fraction of deaths on the Japanese side during the war happened after it was known that they were going to lose.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

12 / uncertainty

Here’s another thing that I want to clarify: If you were trying to understand Britain's conduct in World War I, why they initiated it and why they conducted it in the way they did, and you tried to understand it using cultural explanations — what some British guy wrote in the 17th century — I don't know how far you'd get.

“Here’s another thing that I want to clarify: If you were trying to understand Britain's conduct in World War I, why they initiated it and why they conducted it in the way they did, and you tried to understand it using cultural explanations — what some British guy wrote in the 17th century — I don't know how far you'd get.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

13 / belief

Someone ran into it, translated it into English, and so I just read the whole thing. And then the other stuff, the quotations, I think I was ripping off secondary sources where someone else had done the archival research.

“Someone ran into it, translated it into English, and so I just read the whole thing. And then the other stuff, the quotations, I think I was ripping off secondary sources where someone else had done the archival research.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

17 / evaluation

The Japanese are looking at the operational level and going, why do you care about these countries? We care about the entire system because our prosperity is based on it.

“The Japanese are looking at the operational level and going, why do you care about these countries? We care about the entire system because our prosperity is based on it.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

19 / evaluation

Because for an expeditionary force, you absolutely need the Navy to deliver you there, to maintain your supplies there and they're thinking, the army's thinking, you navy are being irresponsible, not doing any of these things.

“Because for an expeditionary force, you absolutely need the Navy to deliver you there, to maintain your supplies there and they're thinking, the army's thinking, you navy are being irresponsible, not doing any of these things.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

20 / evaluation

0:26:15 First is risk intolerance because remember at the beginning I started with the two flag officers saying “well, we're going to do this war in the Pacific when it's unlikely we're going to succeed but we're going to do it anyway”.

“0:26:15 First is risk intolerance because remember at the beginning I started with the two flag officers saying “well, we're going to do this war in the Pacific when it's unlikely we're going to succeed but we're going to do it anyway”.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

21 / evaluation

The Americans, why did they drop atomic bombs on the Japanese? And there was no disagreement about that in the United States at the time because it was a question of: are you going to send American young men your age- and millions of them would have died hitting the home islands- or are you going to do the bombing?

“The Americans, why did they drop atomic bombs on the Japanese? And there was no disagreement about that in the United States at the time because it was a question of: are you going to send American young men your age- and millions of them would have died hitting the home islands- or are you going to do the bombing?”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

22 / evaluation

During World War II, the United States had sanctuary, which means other people couldn't touch us at home, and our productive base was not touched and that was essential.

“During World War II, the United States had sanctuary, which means other people couldn't touch us at home, and our productive base was not touched and that was essential.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

24 / evaluation

They're going to fight brutally against overwhelming odds. So in the West, when we like to mirror image, we want to think of the rational actor with some kind of mathematically based cost benefit of when you should give up, when the costs are so high above whatever your value of the object is you ought to call it quits.

“They're going to fight brutally against overwhelming odds. So in the West, when we like to mirror image, we want to think of the rational actor with some kind of mathematically based cost benefit of when you should give up, when the costs are so high above whatever your value of the object is you ought to call it quits.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

25 / prediction

0:39:14 But so here's Admiral Ugaki Matome who is talking- he eventually comes around to recommending a more defensive strategy of not having this fleet on fleet because they don't have - they've lost a lot of the fleet and then they don't have the fuel to run it.

“0:39:14 But so here's Admiral Ugaki Matome who is talking- he eventually comes around to recommending a more defensive strategy of not having this fleet on fleet because they don't have - they've lost a lot of the fleet and then they don't have the fuel to run it.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

26 / prediction

I think at some stage, we decide to pull them out of Japan and blockade them eternally. And then you've got, I don't know, Japan is like a new North Korea, just this inevitable, these eternal, non-functioning society.

“I think at some stage, we decide to pull them out of Japan and blockade them eternally. And then you've got, I don't know, Japan is like a new North Korea, just this inevitable, these eternal, non-functioning society.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast
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