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Sarah Paine — How Imperial Japan defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

25 Jul 2025 22 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / evaluation

They got southern Manchuria. It's actually arguably the valuable half, the southern half, because it has Port Arthur and Dalny and all the railways that Russians had invested there.

“They got southern Manchuria. It's actually arguably the valuable half, the southern half, because it has Port Arthur and Dalny and all the railways that Russians had invested there.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

02 / evaluation

Also notice it wants the warm water port, that's the orange part going down to Port Arthur, because Vladivostok, prior to the age of icebreakers, is frozen solid several months of the year.

“Also notice it wants the warm water port, that's the orange part going down to Port Arthur, because Vladivostok, prior to the age of icebreakers, is frozen solid several months of the year.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

03 / evaluation

If you look at the invasion routes that Japan uses and in the First Sino-Japanese War and the Russo-Japanese War, they're remarkably similar because guess what, the geography hasn't changed.

“If you look at the invasion routes that Japan uses and in the First Sino-Japanese War and the Russo-Japanese War, they're remarkably similar because guess what, the geography hasn't changed.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

04 / evaluation

They're getting rid of all those and then they go right to the bottom of the social pyramid, which is children. They decide that they need to have compulsory elementary education because they don't believe you can have a modern country, a strong country, without a literate population.

“They're getting rid of all those and then they go right to the bottom of the social pyramid, which is children. They decide that they need to have compulsory elementary education because they don't believe you can have a modern country, a strong country, without a literate population.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

06 / belief

One really interesting takeaway from this lecture—and I'm curious if you agree with this—is that when we think about this period in history, we often think of Japan as the rising power in Asia.

“One really interesting takeaway from this lecture—and I'm curious if you agree with this—is that when we think about this period in history, we often think of Japan as the rising power in Asia.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

07 / commitment

Before he sets out to take command, he tells the navy minister, “I will care for fighting in Manchuria, but I'm counting you as the man to tell me when to quit.

“Before he sets out to take command, he tells the navy minister, “I will care for fighting in Manchuria, but I'm counting you as the man to tell me when to quit.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

08 / uncertainty

If the Russians had run one more battle against the Japanese, the Japanese supply lines would have collapsed. It's unclear how far down the Liaodong Peninsula they would have had to retreat.

“If the Russians had run one more battle against the Japanese, the Japanese supply lines would have collapsed. It's unclear how far down the Liaodong Peninsula they would have had to retreat.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

09 / belief

I dare say if he had been Peter the Great, the guy who tortured his only son to death and suffered numerous setbacks, I doubt that he would have had any problems dealing with rioting Russians.

“I dare say if he had been Peter the Great, the guy who tortured his only son to death and suffered numerous setbacks, I doubt that he would have had any problems dealing with rioting Russians.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

10 / belief

I believe when WikiLeaks leaked a lot of their memos and things and the New York Times was reporting on it, what it revealed was incredibly accurate reporting of whatever place they were assigned to, and describing things in really accurate detail that would enable US policymakers then to make an accurate assessment and determine to do what's next.

“I believe when WikiLeaks leaked a lot of their memos and things and the New York Times was reporting on it, what it revealed was incredibly accurate reporting of whatever place they were assigned to, and describing things in really accurate detail that would enable US policymakers then to make an accurate assessment and determine to do what's next.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

11 / belief

I think that's the big answer, but you're quite right that as things went on, as it sinks in that Japan is the dominant player in Asia… Because first you have a war and that's happened, but you're focusing on all your civil wars and other stuff.

“I think that's the big answer, but you're quite right that as things went on, as it sinks in that Japan is the dominant player in Asia… Because first you have a war and that's happened, but you're focusing on all your civil wars and other stuff.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

13 / recommendation

It's incredible the number of people who don't want to change their minds. That's why I made a big to-do about giving the argument-counterargument-rebuttal framework, because it helps get you out of the rut so that you can change your mind.

“It's incredible the number of people who don't want to change their minds. That's why I made a big to-do about giving the argument-counterargument-rebuttal framework, because it helps get you out of the rut so that you can change your mind.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

15 / prediction

They're looking at China going, that's our future if we don't fix things. They're thinking the solution for Japan is empire, because in those days that seemed to be the way powerful countries ran things.

“They're looking at China going, that's our future if we don't fix things. They're thinking the solution for Japan is empire, because in those days that seemed to be the way powerful countries ran things.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

18 / preference

There's all kinds of expertise and it's important. But if I take a really good hairdresser and make them an auto mechanic, or the auto mechanic a hairdresser, it is not going to work out well.

“There's all kinds of expertise and it's important. But if I take a really good hairdresser and make them an auto mechanic, or the auto mechanic a hairdresser, it is not going to work out well.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

19 / recommendation

Also, if you're going to do something like on a job and you have to recommend a course of action, your thesis, you had better anticipate what the counterargument's going to be.

“Also, if you're going to do something like on a job and you have to recommend a course of action, your thesis, you had better anticipate what the counterargument's going to be.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

20 / evaluation

They're quite proud of their achievements and it vastly increases the prestige of the military, particularly the army. This is going to have bad follow-on effects for civil military relations because it's going to increase military power over civil power but it takes a while to play out.

“They're quite proud of their achievements and it vastly increases the prestige of the military, particularly the army. This is going to have bad follow-on effects for civil military relations because it's going to increase military power over civil power but it takes a while to play out.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

21 / prediction

Because once Russia completes this thing, it's going to overturn the Asian balance of power because Russia is going to be able to deploy troops where nobody else can.

“Because once Russia completes this thing, it's going to overturn the Asian balance of power because Russia is going to be able to deploy troops where nobody else can.”
Speaker
Sarah Paine
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast
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