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Inside the expert network training every frontier AI model | Garrett Lord (Handshake CEO)

24 Aug 2025 20 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / prediction

Okay, so before we get into the insane trajectory that your data labeling business is on, which is just an amazing story that I think a lot of founders and product teams that are trying to navigate this AI disruption that's happening will have a lot to learn from.

“Okay, so before we get into the insane trajectory that your data labeling business is on, which is just an amazing story that I think a lot of founders and product teams that are trying to navigate this AI disruption that's happening will have a lot to learn from.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

02 / belief

" What are the pros and cons you want to learn from your peers and young alumni? And so, Handshake's this I call a very social platform with groups, and messaging, and profiles, and short-form video and feed, all focused on your interests and helping really build your confidence in your early career to find your first job, your second job, and to manage 18 to 30, I would say.

“" What are the pros and cons you want to learn from your peers and young alumni? And so, Handshake's this I call a very social platform with groups, and messaging, and profiles, and short-form video and feed, all focused on your interests and helping really build your confidence in your early career to find your first job, your second job, and to manage 18 to 30, I would say.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

06 / belief

There's so many people putting up points, directly calling out the people that are putting up points and creating a really fun environment around impact I think has been awesome.

“There's so many people putting up points, directly calling out the people that are putting up points and creating a really fun environment around impact I think has been awesome.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

07 / belief

People will become displaced, they'll have to upscale and rescale, and I think Handshake has a huge role to play in helping knowledge workers evolve.

“People will become displaced, they'll have to upscale and rescale, and I think Handshake has a huge role to play in helping knowledge workers evolve.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

08 / belief

I think if you care about building a really high quality business, and having good gross margin and high quality growth, the ecosystem here is, one of the leading players, they have 200 recruiters.

“I think if you care about building a really high quality business, and having good gross margin and high quality growth, the ecosystem here is, one of the leading players, they have 200 recruiters.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

09 / belief

I think synthetic data has a role to play and in verifiable domains, but what we consistently hear from companies it's like synthetic data is not going to dominate.

“I think synthetic data has a role to play and in verifiable domains, but what we consistently hear from companies it's like synthetic data is not going to dominate.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

10 / belief

I've never seen anything like it, I doubt I'll ever feel anything like this in business again where there's unlimited demand and it's just our ability to execute against it.

“I've never seen anything like it, I doubt I'll ever feel anything like this in business again where there's unlimited demand and it's just our ability to execute against it.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

11 / commitment

" The huge advantage that we've had and why we've resonated so fast in the marketplace is we built a decade of trust with 18 million people, and they trust us, and we built a ton of brand affinity, and they use Handshake, and they have an active profile, and we have a ton of information around their academic performance and what they've done in school.

“" The huge advantage that we've had and why we've resonated so fast in the marketplace is we built a decade of trust with 18 million people, and they trust us, and we built a ton of brand affinity, and they use Handshake, and they have an active profile, and we have a ton of information around their academic performance and what they've done in school.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

12 / prediction

I think we had 12 people start last Monday. It's like we are so bottlenecked on just meeting this opportunity, because in this market there's essentially unlimited demand.

“I think we had 12 people start last Monday. It's like we are so bottlenecked on just meeting this opportunity, because in this market there's essentially unlimited demand.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

13 / commitment

When we started to put together the dots on we could build a way better experience for our fellows, we could serve them directly to the labs and build a direct customer relationship with the labs, and basically cut out the middleman.

“When we started to put together the dots on we could build a way better experience for our fellows, we could serve them directly to the labs and build a direct customer relationship with the labs, and basically cut out the middleman.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

14 / evaluation

It is based on the retention of a person, and how many projects they can participate in. So, if you treat people really well, you train them really well, well, A, we have no customer acquisition costs because we partner with 1,600 universities, power 92% of the top 500 schools in the country.

“It is based on the retention of a person, and how many projects they can participate in. So, if you treat people really well, you train them really well, well, A, we have no customer acquisition costs because we partner with 1,600 universities, power 92% of the top 500 schools in the country.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

15 / evaluation

PhD students expect to be treated different than a lower cost international labor with a different work expectation. And so, these PhDs come into a community, we have a instructional design team and an assessments team that's going through and basically iteratively helping them understand how to use the tools that we built, and how to interact with the latest models.

“PhD students expect to be treated different than a lower cost international labor with a different work expectation. And so, these PhDs come into a community, we have a instructional design team and an assessments team that's going through and basically iteratively helping them understand how to use the tools that we built, and how to interact with the latest models.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

16 / evaluation

You were person, you were good at Googling, because you grew up with Google. It's like I think being AI native and having your Iron Man suit on, and understanding how to leverage these tools is like young people are at a huge advantage.

“You were person, you were good at Googling, because you grew up with Google. It's like I think being AI native and having your Iron Man suit on, and understanding how to leverage these tools is like young people are at a huge advantage.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

17 / commitment

I worked at Palantir as an intern, it totally changed my life, and I started Handshake because I wanted to make it easier for anyone regardless of who you knew, what your parents did, what school you went to, to find a great opportunity.

“I worked at Palantir as an intern, it totally changed my life, and I started Handshake because I wanted to make it easier for anyone regardless of who you knew, what your parents did, what school you went to, to find a great opportunity.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

18 / observation

And there was a lot of gains from pre-training, like models continue to get better. And about 18 months ago, 24 months ago, we started to really see an asymptoting of gains coming from, because they had essentially sucked up all of the knowledge on the internet.

“And there was a lot of gains from pre-training, like models continue to get better. And about 18 months ago, 24 months ago, we started to really see an asymptoting of gains coming from, because they had essentially sucked up all of the knowledge on the internet.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

19 / prediction

This has come up a couple of times this point that I think is really good, that younger people coming out of school are actually going to be much more likely to be successful because they're growing up with these tools, and are much more native to all these advanced tools and so they just come in as beasts just doing so much more.

“This has come up a couple of times this point that I think is really good, that younger people coming out of school are actually going to be much more likely to be successful because they're growing up with these tools, and are much more native to all these advanced tools and so they just come in as beasts just doing so much more.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

20 / prediction

Monetizing your skills and this new employment ecosystem is going to look very different in the future, and to zoom into how we discovered it, it's like because we have such a large access to this audience, and as the world shifted from generalists to experts, we're the largest expert network in the world.

“Monetizing your skills and this new employment ecosystem is going to look very different in the future, and to zoom into how we discovered it, it's like because we have such a large access to this audience, and as the world shifted from generalists to experts, we're the largest expert network in the world.”
Speaker
Garrett Lord
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast
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