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Garrett Lord: evaluation

24 Aug 2025 Lenny's Podcast Inside the expert network training every frontier AI model | Garrett Lord (Handshake CEO)

“PhD students expect to be treated different than a lower cost international labor with a different work expectation. And so, these PhDs come into a community, we have a instructional design team and an assessments team that's going through and basically iteratively helping them understand how to use the tools that we built, and how to interact with the latest models.”

— Garrett Lord

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Garrett Lord
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evaluation
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24 Aug 2025
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Lenny's Podcast

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…So, essentially it's just catching mistakes that the model has made. Okay. So, what are these people actually doing? I know there's all kinds of different types, you described all the ways that data's generated, what kind of data is useful? So, maybe just the most common examples. Let's say a PhD person is sitting there doing stuff, what are they actually doing? A great example is a public paper called GPQA. So, for the engineers out there that want to read about it, essentially the crux of the paper is you break the model, you provide a ground truth, the right answer to the question, you provide the step-by-step a reasoning steps. So, you might imagine because models are non-deterministic, the model can get the answer right once, but it might not get the answer right three out of five times. So, you actually prove where the model's failing. You actually break down into where is it failing? Maybe it can get, it knows the question, it can get the right answer, but the actual steps to get there are wrong and they really focus on the steps to get there. Say there's 10 steps in a math problem, step 6 through 10 is wrong. So, how do you fix the actual steps? And what are they doing? So they're going in, we're really focused on calling this branding the experience and treating people like experts. PhD students expect to be treated different than a lower cost international labor with a different work expectation. And so, these PhDs come into a community, we have a instructional design team and an assessments team that's going through and basically iteratively helping them understand how to use the tools that we built, and how to interact with the latest models. Then they go in and start actually creating data. And that process is, on our side the model builders, they want to know that the data we're producing is high quality. Som we have our own research team, our own post-training team. I hired a gentleman from Meta that went along on the post-training over there, and I- Hope you paid him well.…

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