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Christopher Kirchhoff on Military Innovation and the Future of War

30 Oct 2024 21 published claims 2 attributable people

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02 / evaluation

Now we see the full coming of the circle of the future that some people in the military saw then, which is that, just last month in Ukraine, the US military has had to ask the Ukrainians to remove from the front all 31 of the M1A1 Abrams battle tanks that we gave the Ukrainians because a quarter of them had been destroyed by Russian kamikaze drones.

“Now we see the full coming of the circle of the future that some people in the military saw then, which is that, just last month in Ukraine, the US military has had to ask the Ukrainians to remove from the front all 31 of the M1A1 Abrams battle tanks that we gave the Ukrainians because a quarter of them had been destroyed by Russian kamikaze drones.”
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03 / observation

The problem is that the entire defense procurement system and the Pentagon’s line of vision are tuned in to the military R&D labs and to the defense primes.

“The problem is that the entire defense procurement system and the Pentagon’s line of vision are tuned in to the military R&D labs and to the defense primes.”
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04 / prediction

American leaders, in a sense, are too asleep to even see that, so we just let things happen, and that’s for the better in the long run. But they throw their CEOs in jail, and they’re afraid it will take away power of the CCP, and they’re just not going to catch us.

“American leaders, in a sense, are too asleep to even see that, so we just let things happen, and that’s for the better in the long run. But they throw their CEOs in jail, and they’re afraid it will take away power of the CCP, and they’re just not going to catch us.”
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06 / belief

I think drones are primarily offensive dominant in the sense that there are, right now, almost 300 companies in Ukraine that have faster innovation cycles at this moment than all of the Western military companies fielding drones.

“I think drones are primarily offensive dominant in the sense that there are, right now, almost 300 companies in Ukraine that have faster innovation cycles at this moment than all of the Western military companies fielding drones.”
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07 / belief

I think that autonomous weapons are here to stay. This is how wars are likely going to be fought, and if you decide not to pursue autonomous weapons, you’re going to lose.

“I think that autonomous weapons are here to stay. This is how wars are likely going to be fought, and if you decide not to pursue autonomous weapons, you’re going to lose.”
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09 / belief

I think anybody who is working against the grain institution to build something new should be given a lot of authority to prosecute that mission, to make that mission a success, and held accountable if they don’t.

“I think anybody who is working against the grain institution to build something new should be given a lot of authority to prosecute that mission, to make that mission a success, and held accountable if they don’t.”
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10 / belief

By the time the book was published, I think we had caught something like 120 academic papers being published in the Chinese literature about the Ukraine war, very clearly seeing the decisive use of Starlink, calling for a Chinese version of Starlink, calling for Chinese kinetic and nonkinetic means of jamming low-earth-orbit space technology.

“By the time the book was published, I think we had caught something like 120 academic papers being published in the Chinese literature about the Ukraine war, very clearly seeing the decisive use of Starlink, calling for a Chinese version of Starlink, calling for Chinese kinetic and nonkinetic means of jamming low-earth-orbit space technology.”
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12 / preference

Having sat in both places, on the National Security Council and in the Pentagon, I am firmly in favor of dual use to the absolute extent we can because I think the net assessment of that is for the best.

“Having sat in both places, on the National Security Council and in the Pentagon, I am firmly in favor of dual use to the absolute extent we can because I think the net assessment of that is for the best.”
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13 / evaluation

I think we have to be very careful exerting government control over breakout technology, but that doesn’t mean that the law enforcement agencies like the FBI and our intelligence agencies can’t cooperate very closely to help protect certain private firms from the nation-state threats they are most certainly facing.

“I think we have to be very careful exerting government control over breakout technology, but that doesn’t mean that the law enforcement agencies like the FBI and our intelligence agencies can’t cooperate very closely to help protect certain private firms from the nation-state threats they are most certainly facing.”
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14 / prediction

It’s just too difficult. So, I think, had that group of people been successful in, for instance, pausing military development using AI, I think we would be even more imperiled in Ukraine today.

“It’s just too difficult. So, I think, had that group of people been successful in, for instance, pausing military development using AI, I think we would be even more imperiled in Ukraine today.”
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15 / evaluation

Those settled notions often kill people, and especially when they kill people, that’s a strong signal that it’s time to go back and take a fresh look at everything, to always be curious, always be skeptical, and always be as rigorous as you can because established ways of thinking don’t often evolve in ways fast enough to accommodate changing circumstances.

“Those settled notions often kill people, and especially when they kill people, that’s a strong signal that it’s time to go back and take a fresh look at everything, to always be curious, always be skeptical, and always be as rigorous as you can because established ways of thinking don’t often evolve in ways fast enough to accommodate changing circumstances.”
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16 / recommendation

One of the charities I donated to was Human Rights Watch, which is wonderfully subversive for a Pentagon employee because they actually produce incredibly great research about what’s happening on the ground in conflict areas around the world that every national security official, I think, should be reading.

“One of the charities I donated to was Human Rights Watch, which is wonderfully subversive for a Pentagon employee because they actually produce incredibly great research about what’s happening on the ground in conflict areas around the world that every national security official, I think, should be reading.”
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17 / recommendation

With an ICBM launch, you have 20 to 25 minutes or so. This is why the rule for a presidential nuclear decision conference is, you have to be able to get the president online with his national security advisers in, I think, five or seven minutes.

“With an ICBM launch, you have 20 to 25 minutes or so. This is why the rule for a presidential nuclear decision conference is, you have to be able to get the president online with his national security advisers in, I think, five or seven minutes.”
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18 / prediction

It’s going to be much more shades of gray, I think, and gradations. That’s good because it means that we will have time among nations to find new equilibria without hopefully finding ourselves in sudden disequilibria that could create an incentive for one nation to start a war against another.

“It’s going to be much more shades of gray, I think, and gradations. That’s good because it means that we will have time among nations to find new equilibria without hopefully finding ourselves in sudden disequilibria that could create an incentive for one nation to start a war against another.”
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19 / evaluation

If you’re a start-up, that simply doesn’t work because you have to show profitability before your next round of venture investment, which you’re going to raise inside of that timeline.

“If you’re a start-up, that simply doesn’t work because you have to show profitability before your next round of venture investment, which you’re going to raise inside of that timeline.”
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20 / evaluation

I think the question is, that program is directionally right, but it certainly is not right in size or scale in comparison to the changes we’re seeing, not just in Ukraine, but in the Middle East and other places around the world with autonomous weapon systems.

“I think the question is, that program is directionally right, but it certainly is not right in size or scale in comparison to the changes we’re seeing, not just in Ukraine, but in the Middle East and other places around the world with autonomous weapon systems.”
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21 / evaluation

Then, in northern Israel, perhaps most strikingly, Hezbollah has depopulated the first 10 miles of northern Israel using loitering munitions and cruise missiles because the IDF can’t effectively defend their northern border, and that has displaced 85,000 Israeli civilians.

“Then, in northern Israel, perhaps most strikingly, Hezbollah has depopulated the first 10 miles of northern Israel using loitering munitions and cruise missiles because the IDF can’t effectively defend their northern border, and that has displaced 85,000 Israeli civilians.”
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