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#467 – Tim Sweeney: Fortnite, Unreal Engine, and the Future of Gaming

30 Apr 2025 53 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / evaluation

In the course of building Fortnite, we’ve built a lot of other tools. They’re useful for us too because it’s not just a game powered by Unreal Engine, but it’s also a social ecosystem where people can make friends and voice chat and get together and party.

“In the course of building Fortnite, we’ve built a lot of other tools. They’re useful for us too because it’s not just a game powered by Unreal Engine, but it’s also a social ecosystem where people can make friends and voice chat and get together and party.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

05 / recommendation

Built Unreal Engine.

“Do you just forget about it when you actually go off to do work or do you write down equations on paper? It was actually not clear as an early engineering student what you do, but when I started writing the first generation Unreal Engine and I was dealing with 3DMS, I was like, wait, I know this stuff.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

07 / belief

Blockchain and crypto is a really powerful technology that I think can enable a lot of the things that we’re talking about, but so many people use it to try to make money to create these bubbles and the hype and the meme coins and the so on and so forth that becomes much less about, that drifts far away and rapidly from things that are actually of value, which is the experience of playing Fortnite and how you look when you play Battle Royale.

“Blockchain and crypto is a really powerful technology that I think can enable a lot of the things that we’re talking about, but so many people use it to try to make money to create these bubbles and the hype and the meme coins and the so on and so forth that becomes much less about, that drifts far away and rapidly from things that are actually of value, which is the experience of playing Fortnite and how you look when you play Battle Royale.”
Speaker
Lex Fridman
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

08 / belief

You can’t build one of those games with a $300 million budget, but if you can do it with a $40 million budget, you can make a lot of money. So I think that’s the main reshaping going on and think that it creates a rather bleak outlook for a lot of the category of single-player games that don’t have a huge audience to reach.

“You can’t build one of those games with a $300 million budget, but if you can do it with a $40 million budget, you can make a lot of money. So I think that’s the main reshaping going on and think that it creates a rather bleak outlook for a lot of the category of single-player games that don’t have a huge audience to reach.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

09 / belief

I think the thing that always comes to mind is that shipping a game is easy if you don’t have a high quality standard, we also won’t have much success.

“I think the thing that always comes to mind is that shipping a game is easy if you don’t have a high quality standard, we also won’t have much success.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

10 / observation

The problem is when you introduce multiple threads or multiple nodes in a data center, all working together on a single problem, is that they each want to read and write different pieces of data, and change of the state of the world as they go.

“The problem is when you introduce multiple threads or multiple nodes in a data center, all working together on a single problem, is that they each want to read and write different pieces of data, and change of the state of the world as they go.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

12 / commitment

We’re a company that can start working on a project knowing that we won’t reach fruition or make any money from it at all for three years, four years, five years.

“We’re a company that can start working on a project knowing that we won’t reach fruition or make any money from it at all for three years, four years, five years.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

16 / belief

I think when we have much, much, much more nuanced control of it and artists can join and just like let’s enhance this object, do this, do that, do that, it’ll feel like some of the tools that exist in Photoshop, which are in some ways compared to a paintbrush or superpowers already.

“I think when we have much, much, much more nuanced control of it and artists can join and just like let’s enhance this object, do this, do that, do that, it’ll feel like some of the tools that exist in Photoshop, which are in some ways compared to a paintbrush or superpowers already.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

17 / belief

Yeah, I would love to sort of talk about different aspects of that a little bit more because Epic has created a lot of amazing games, Unreal Tournament, Gears of War, but the game that I think is fair to say that transformed the gaming industry was Fortnite, Fortnite Battle Royale especially.

“Yeah, I would love to sort of talk about different aspects of that a little bit more because Epic has created a lot of amazing games, Unreal Tournament, Gears of War, but the game that I think is fair to say that transformed the gaming industry was Fortnite, Fortnite Battle Royale especially.”
Speaker
Lex Fridman
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

18 / belief

We realized early on with Fortnite that the key to making Fortnite work as a creator economy was to open up the revenue from the item shop to all of those sources of engagement.

“We realized early on with Fortnite that the key to making Fortnite work as a creator economy was to open up the revenue from the item shop to all of those sources of engagement.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

20 / belief

I think if you just keep being open to using the tools, constantly trying the cutting edge tools, how they can make you more productive, how can they empower you as a creator, as an artist, or as an engineer, I think you’re going to just keep winning.

“I think if you just keep being open to using the tools, constantly trying the cutting edge tools, how they can make you more productive, how can they empower you as a creator, as an artist, or as an engineer, I think you’re going to just keep winning.”
Speaker
Lex Fridman
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

22 / belief

I think a lot of people like the theories that get the biggest traction on social media often don’t capture the real underlying motive forces at play there.

“I think a lot of people like the theories that get the biggest traction on social media often don’t capture the real underlying motive forces at play there.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

23 / belief

If you’re playing Fortnite Battle Royale, in my view, that is capturing the essence of the metaverse, and it’s especially in Fortnite when we got Sony on board so that all players on all platforms in Fortnite could play together, could voice chat together, and could be part of a single game experience, it really took on a new nature, which was not just like a multiplayer game with Heritage from Doom, but also a true social experience between you and your friends.

“If you’re playing Fortnite Battle Royale, in my view, that is capturing the essence of the metaverse, and it’s especially in Fortnite when we got Sony on board so that all players on all platforms in Fortnite could play together, could voice chat together, and could be part of a single game experience, it really took on a new nature, which was not just like a multiplayer game with Heritage from Doom, but also a true social experience between you and your friends.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

24 / belief

The key thing with Verse is that we have been specifying what we think is the ultimate version of the language with all of the features we want, whereas we’ve been shipping more modest versions of language over time, and we’ve released dozens of updates to it over the past year and a half.

“The key thing with Verse is that we have been specifying what we think is the ultimate version of the language with all of the features we want, whereas we’ve been shipping more modest versions of language over time, and we’ve released dozens of updates to it over the past year and a half.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

27 / belief

Now that there’s enough number of people using Epic Games Store to drift away, to move away from exclusivity, it’s understandable that it’s needed for the competition for the underdog to enter the scene, but it goes against the freedom, the free spirit of choice that I think you represent in a lot of the decisions you’ve made, which is making the games cross-platform and just, yes, giving freedom to the developers, giving freedom to the gamers to choose.

“Now that there’s enough number of people using Epic Games Store to drift away, to move away from exclusivity, it’s understandable that it’s needed for the competition for the underdog to enter the scene, but it goes against the freedom, the free spirit of choice that I think you represent in a lot of the decisions you’ve made, which is making the games cross-platform and just, yes, giving freedom to the developers, giving freedom to the gamers to choose.”
Speaker
Lex Fridman
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

28 / belief

I think for me personally, it makes it more fun and faster to generate boiler play code so I can focus on the harder decisions, harder big picture decisions and harder innovative decisions and all that kind of stuff, and just makes programming more fun for me because I feel less lonely.

“I think for me personally, it makes it more fun and faster to generate boiler play code so I can focus on the harder decisions, harder big picture decisions and harder innovative decisions and all that kind of stuff, and just makes programming more fun for me because I feel less lonely.”
Speaker
Lex Fridman
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

32 / belief

I think yeah, as things get more realistic, especially simulation of humans, yeah, there are some hard questions that will have to be answered there. But I think the thing that all game developers need to remember is we’re here to make people’s lives better by entertaining them, providing them with fun and a diversion from other things and being a part of their lives and not trying to be too big or being too much and not trying to provide an alternate to reality, but to just provide a fun source of entertainment like the many other things that people do for fun.

“I think yeah, as things get more realistic, especially simulation of humans, yeah, there are some hard questions that will have to be answered there. But I think the thing that all game developers need to remember is we’re here to make people’s lives better by entertaining them, providing them with fun and a diversion from other things and being a part of their lives and not trying to be too big or being too much and not trying to provide an alternate to reality, but to just provide a fun source of entertainment like the many other things that people do for fun.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

33 / belief

The company had a little office and we were copying floppy disks and mailing them out. But when Wolfenstein came out, we realized the future of gaming is going to be 3D.

“The company had a little office and we were copying floppy disks and mailing them out. But when Wolfenstein came out, we realized the future of gaming is going to be 3D.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

34 / belief

I learned how to build a design tool so I could build castles and save them off and then play them in a game. And I realized there was a separation between the tools that you use to build a game and the game itself, and that the more powerful tools you had, the more creativity you could unleash in yourself or others.

“I learned how to build a design tool so I could build castles and save them off and then play them in a game. And I realized there was a separation between the tools that you use to build a game and the game itself, and that the more powerful tools you had, the more creativity you could unleash in yourself or others.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

36 / belief

I would say probably 60 hours a week of programming, five hours a week of coordinating with other people and iterating and sitting down with them and looking at what’s going on on screen and figuring out what they needed.

“I would say probably 60 hours a week of programming, five hours a week of coordinating with other people and iterating and sitting down with them and looking at what’s going on on screen and figuring out what they needed.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

39 / belief

I think the big thing to realize for indie developers right now is there’s massive, massive competition in every major genre, and it’s very unlikely that unless you just happen to be the world’s best at a particular thing that you’re going to release a game in an existing highly competitive genre and win.

“I think the big thing to realize for indie developers right now is there’s massive, massive competition in every major genre, and it’s very unlikely that unless you just happen to be the world’s best at a particular thing that you’re going to release a game in an existing highly competitive genre and win.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

40 / belief

I think one of the reasons that people characterize the Epic Games Launcher is clunky is because the Epic Games Launcher is clunky, and we need to improve this.

“I think one of the reasons that people characterize the Epic Games Launcher is clunky is because the Epic Games Launcher is clunky, and we need to improve this.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

41 / belief

I was rather just going from project to project, doing things that I thought would be fun and cool. And with each project I learned new things, learning about how to store and manage data, learning how to deal with advanced data structures, how to write complex programs that have deeply nested data and control flow.

“I was rather just going from project to project, doing things that I thought would be fun and cool. And with each project I learned new things, learning about how to store and manage data, learning how to deal with advanced data structures, how to write complex programs that have deeply nested data and control flow.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

42 / belief

I think using data like that and AI to create completely new trees that meet your specification from all of the knowledge that has built up of high quality scan trees, it’s going to be a really valuable thing.

“I think using data like that and AI to create completely new trees that meet your specification from all of the knowledge that has built up of high quality scan trees, it’s going to be a really valuable thing.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

43 / belief

Music partnerships with Sony Music. That’s been an absolutely wonderful relationship, and I think that stands as an awesome example of a company that, because of historic reasons, got stuck with a policy that no longer made sense for the future.

“Music partnerships with Sony Music. That’s been an absolutely wonderful relationship, and I think that stands as an awesome example of a company that, because of historic reasons, got stuck with a policy that no longer made sense for the future.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

44 / evaluation

Yeah, I think there’s going to be some hard questions, and I think maybe I’m just being human centric here, but there should probably be some legal bounds on two things, sort of not creating a reality in which humans would want to stay too long, sort of yeah, focusing more on the game side, and more importantly, not creating simulations of humans that could suffer.

“Yeah, I think there’s going to be some hard questions, and I think maybe I’m just being human centric here, but there should probably be some legal bounds on two things, sort of not creating a reality in which humans would want to stay too long, sort of yeah, focusing more on the game side, and more importantly, not creating simulations of humans that could suffer.”
Speaker
Lex Fridman
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

45 / commitment

Our aim for that is with Epic online services, and the social systems that we built for Fortnite opened up to all developers to have cross-platform social features be super easy and free for all developers.

“Our aim for that is with Epic online services, and the social systems that we built for Fortnite opened up to all developers to have cross-platform social features be super easy and free for all developers.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

47 / evaluation

There’s the natural thing in companies to want to close and control and crush competition, but Apple is full of brilliant engineers, open it up and win. It’s going to create the right kind of competitive incentive to make the Apple Store better to make… because they’re great at creating great interfaces, but competition will sharpen the sword.

“There’s the natural thing in companies to want to close and control and crush competition, but Apple is full of brilliant engineers, open it up and win. It’s going to create the right kind of competitive incentive to make the Apple Store better to make… because they’re great at creating great interfaces, but competition will sharpen the sword.”
Speaker
Lex Fridman
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

48 / evaluation

If you have a 16 core CPU, we’re using one core for game simulation and running with the complicated game logic because single-threaded programming is orders of magnitude easier than multi-threaded programming.

“If you have a 16 core CPU, we’re using one core for game simulation and running with the complicated game logic because single-threaded programming is orders of magnitude easier than multi-threaded programming.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

49 / preference

I uploaded it to a bunch of local bulletin boards, and from there it started spreading because the way to build up cred for bulletin board users was to upload new files and to claim that, hey, I was the first that brought this to you.

“I uploaded it to a bunch of local bulletin boards, and from there it started spreading because the way to build up cred for bulletin board users was to upload new files and to claim that, hey, I was the first that brought this to you.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

50 / prediction

I think that’s the central challenge of the next decade of game engines and AI for content creation of all sorts, because you have two very different models to the world that are emerging.

“I think that’s the central challenge of the next decade of game engines and AI for content creation of all sorts, because you have two very different models to the world that are emerging.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

51 / prediction

I’m like, I don’t know what the hell this is. But it turns out eigenvectors and eigenvalues were the critical breakthrough that made the Google search engine technology work and stand apart from the rest because they found if you threw all the links that exist into the web and links from and to different sites and you put them in a giant matrix and you conclude it, you found a dominant eigenvalues.

“I’m like, I don’t know what the hell this is. But it turns out eigenvectors and eigenvalues were the critical breakthrough that made the Google search engine technology work and stand apart from the rest because they found if you threw all the links that exist into the web and links from and to different sites and you put them in a giant matrix and you conclude it, you found a dominant eigenvalues.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast

53 / observation

It’s like, what, a developer isn’t in Apple’s good graces, so just slow down the updates. So they’ve been slowing down updates for several major tech companies, sometimes for weeks, sometimes for months, without all going under the radar because everybody’s afraid to challenge them publicly.

“It’s like, what, a developer isn’t in Apple’s good graces, so just slow down the updates. So they’ve been slowing down updates for several major tech companies, sometimes for weeks, sometimes for months, without all going under the radar because everybody’s afraid to challenge them publicly.”
Speaker
Tim Sweeney
Publisher
Lex Fridman Podcast
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