book / likes
Conscious Business
“Second is Conscious Business is my favorite management book. It's a little bit of a sleeper hit because I actually end up recommending this one far more than my own book.”
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Julie Zhuo
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book / uses
Good Inside
“all parents but i also think it's just a wonderful book for thinking about relationships and because parenting is that it's like a very very deep and intense relationship and interaction that you have with another human being and there's so many things that i read in parenting books including good inside by dr becky that i think like are could just as well been like a management or a team leadership book”
book / recommends
Conscious Business
“The first is Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I absolutely love that book. It's beautifully written. It's so deep. My whole philosophy around quality is beautifully, it really comes, a lot of it comes from that book, the idea and even all the stuff that we talked about, change. What does it mean to be at that forefront of change and dynamic quality? I think he just talks about so beautifully and so masterfully in that book. So old classic, but I try to reread it every few years or so. Second is Conscious Business is my favorite management book. It's a little bit of a sleeper hit because I actually end up recommending this one far more than my own book.”
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01 / belief
Like I need to understand and have an opinion about what to build or what the user experience is. And so we found that if we actually make teams smaller and we kind of even like in the past, you know, pre-AI, like just to have fewer of these, it allowed everyone to be like, oh, wait, we don't have a product manager on the team.
“Like I need to understand and have an opinion about what to build or what the user experience is. And so we found that if we actually make teams smaller and we kind of even like in the past, you know, pre-AI, like just to have fewer of these, it allowed everyone to be like, oh, wait, we don't have a product manager on the team.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
02 / belief
Now, I think with better and better models, perhaps the agents get smarter so they can deal with higher and higher levels of figuring out how to do something.
“Now, I think with better and better models, perhaps the agents get smarter so they can deal with higher and higher levels of figuring out how to do something.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
03 / belief
Today, management is really about this idea of be sturdy while being flexible. So I think about this metaphor a lot of the willow tree.
“Today, management is really about this idea of be sturdy while being flexible. So I think about this metaphor a lot of the willow tree.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
04 / belief
You can shortcut like hard feelings because now you can just watch TikTok instead of actually dealing with the very difficult emotion or tension that you had with a colleague or with your partner or with your children. And AI makes it even, I think, more attractive because now there's a person who can, or there's a thing that can be very, very personalized.
“You can shortcut like hard feelings because now you can just watch TikTok instead of actually dealing with the very difficult emotion or tension that you had with a colleague or with your partner or with your children. And AI makes it even, I think, more attractive because now there's a person who can, or there's a thing that can be very, very personalized.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
05 / belief
My big motivation to write it was, I think, largely because I felt if I had to write this thing, I was likely going to become a better manager.
“My big motivation to write it was, I think, largely because I felt if I had to write this thing, I was likely going to become a better manager.”
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- Julie Zhuo
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- Lenny's Podcast
06 / belief
I probably got it. I think she talks a lot about sturdiness and that just incepted right in here.
“I probably got it. I think she talks a lot about sturdiness and that just incepted right in here.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
07 / belief
Obviously, it's hard, but it's in the mentality and the mental model, I think, makes all the difference because it's going to be different in the way that I convey it to them.
“Obviously, it's hard, but it's in the mentality and the mental model, I think, makes all the difference because it's going to be different in the way that I convey it to them.”
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- Julie Zhuo
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- Lenny's Podcast
08 / belief
I feel like our best collaboration is I want you to help me get better. I think I'm good at this stuff.
“I feel like our best collaboration is I want you to help me get better. I think I'm good at this stuff.”
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- Julie Zhuo
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- Lenny's Podcast
09 / belief
Like it can be with everyone just establishing what kind of relationship do we want to have? I think most people want to opt into a relationship where you can be close.
“Like it can be with everyone just establishing what kind of relationship do we want to have? I think most people want to opt into a relationship where you can be close.”
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- Julie Zhuo
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- Lenny's Podcast
10 / belief
You know, it's like if my career has always been in design and now these tools are getting better and better at what I'm doing, then holy shit what happens to my career and my future and do i need to pivot do i need to learn different things and so it's this change it's this feeling of uncertainty and i think a lot of times managers have to deal with that in addition to what you were saying before which is they also have to learn these new skills which is managing AI and managing these more powerful tools in their arsenal of trying to get things done.
“You know, it's like if my career has always been in design and now these tools are getting better and better at what I'm doing, then holy shit what happens to my career and my future and do i need to pivot do i need to learn different things and so it's this change it's this feeling of uncertainty and i think a lot of times managers have to deal with that in addition to what you were saying before which is they also have to learn these new skills which is managing AI and managing these more powerful tools in their arsenal of trying to get things done.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
11 / belief
I found that some of the most meaningful conversations I had, whether with people like managers or whether with my own reports is when we can be much more open about what it is that we find hard, what are we struggling with, and in that way, you actually form deeper connections and people are more able to help out.
“I found that some of the most meaningful conversations I had, whether with people like managers or whether with my own reports is when we can be much more open about what it is that we find hard, what are we struggling with, and in that way, you actually form deeper connections and people are more able to help out.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
12 / belief
I've seen the power firsthand from working at Facebook of what data can do to help us make better products, especially for people at scale, to help us reduce the bias in our intuitions, and how we think about what is the way that we should prioritize, and I'm really passionate about the idea of making that such that every single company, every single business in the world can properly use data, know how to interpret it correctly, know how to use it to influence roadmap strategy and prioritization decisions, and make better decisions as a result.
“I've seen the power firsthand from working at Facebook of what data can do to help us make better products, especially for people at scale, to help us reduce the bias in our intuitions, and how we think about what is the way that we should prioritize, and I'm really passionate about the idea of making that such that every single company, every single business in the world can properly use data, know how to interpret it correctly, know how to use it to influence roadmap strategy and prioritization decisions, and make better decisions as a result.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast
13 / belief
Then the second thing for me is I realized that I would likely also become a better manager through this process because it would force me to think about management a lot every single day.
“Then the second thing for me is I realized that I would likely also become a better manager through this process because it would force me to think about management a lot every single day.”
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- Julie Zhuo
- Publisher
- Lenny's Podcast