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Julie Zhuo

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Conscious Business

“Second is Conscious Business is my favorite management book. It's a little bit of a sleeper hit because I actually end up recommending this one far more than my own book.”

Lenny's Podcast · 21 Sept 2025

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book / uses

Good Inside

“all parents but i also think it's just a wonderful book for thinking about relationships and because parenting is that it's like a very very deep and intense relationship and interaction that you have with another human being and there's so many things that i read in parenting books including good inside by dr becky that i think like are could just as well been like a management or a team leadership book”

Lenny's Podcast · 21 Sept 2025

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book / recommends

Conscious Business

“The first is Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I absolutely love that book. It's beautifully written. It's so deep. My whole philosophy around quality is beautifully, it really comes, a lot of it comes from that book, the idea and even all the stuff that we talked about, change. What does it mean to be at that forefront of change and dynamic quality? I think he just talks about so beautifully and so masterfully in that book. So old classic, but I try to reread it every few years or so. Second is Conscious Business is my favorite management book. It's a little bit of a sleeper hit because I actually end up recommending this one far more than my own book.”

Lenny's Podcast · 21 Sept 2025

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01 / recommendation

Recommends Conscious Business.

“The first is Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I absolutely love that book. It's beautifully written. It's so deep. My whole philosophy around quality is beautifully, it really comes, a lot of it comes from that book, the idea and even all the stuff that we talked about, change. What does it mean to be at that forefront of change and dynamic quality? I think he just talks about so beautifully and so masterfully in that book. So old classic, but I try to reread it every few years or so. Second is Conscious Business is my favorite management book. It's a little bit of a sleeper hit because I actually end up recommending this one far more than my own book.”
Speaker
Julie Zhuo
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

02 / recommendation

Mentions personal use of Good Inside.

“all parents but i also think it's just a wonderful book for thinking about relationships and because parenting is that it's like a very very deep and intense relationship and interaction that you have with another human being and there's so many things that i read in parenting books including good inside by dr becky that i think like are could just as well been like a management or a team leadership book”
Speaker
Julie Zhuo
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

03 / recommendation

decide whether you want to do it or not and if you want to then ask your manager for help okay if you see opportunities that are going to help me become a better presenter or increase my communication please tell me even better if you have feedback for me about communication i want to hear it because that's what's going to help me grow in this particular skill And so it becomes this collaborative relationship much more so than this almost like adversarial, like I'm trying to get you to give me a promotion and you're trying to get me to like work harder.

“decide whether you want to do it or not and if you want to then ask your manager for help okay if you see opportunities that are going to help me become a better presenter or increase my communication please tell me even better if you have feedback for me about communication i want to hear it because that's what's going to help me grow in this particular skill And so it becomes this collaborative relationship much more so than this almost like adversarial, like I'm trying to get you to give me a promotion and you're trying to get me to like work harder.”
Speaker
Julie Zhuo
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

04 / recommendation

I would advise a designer, "Hey, go in, actually do a critique with a design audience, but go and then show this to the people who are most directly working on the product because they're going to have a different set of knowledge, but then go and see if you can find some people outside of your direct team who don't have as much bias on just knowing exactly how things work and then show them the user experience, and then go and actually see if you can find a group of target customers for who we're actually going to launch, and then run some user research sessions and get feedback.

“I would advise a designer, "Hey, go in, actually do a critique with a design audience, but go and then show this to the people who are most directly working on the product because they're going to have a different set of knowledge, but then go and see if you can find some people outside of your direct team who don't have as much bias on just knowing exactly how things work and then show them the user experience, and then go and actually see if you can find a group of target customers for who we're actually going to launch, and then run some user research sessions and get feedback.”
Speaker
Julie Zhuo
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

05 / recommendation

I understand the outside, the value of data, but I never did the job, and therefore, what I really needed to do was just spend a lot of time with data scientists immersing or actually just trying to do the job myself because the better that I understand what it is and what it's like and what the company context is, and I think with, for SaaS companies in particular, you might have done the job at one company, but you probably didn't do it at 20 or 50 companies, and you're probably selling to a lot of companies so it's just way more critical for you to spend a lot of time interviewing customers because your intuition is likely not going to carry you nearly as far as if you're building, again, a very consumer product for a very consumer audience of which you yourself are part of.

“I understand the outside, the value of data, but I never did the job, and therefore, what I really needed to do was just spend a lot of time with data scientists immersing or actually just trying to do the job myself because the better that I understand what it is and what it's like and what the company context is, and I think with, for SaaS companies in particular, you might have done the job at one company, but you probably didn't do it at 20 or 50 companies, and you're probably selling to a lot of companies so it's just way more critical for you to spend a lot of time interviewing customers because your intuition is likely not going to carry you nearly as far as if you're building, again, a very consumer product for a very consumer audience of which you yourself are part of.”
Speaker
Julie Zhuo
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

06 / recommendation

How often are you having a conversation with somebody about products, dissecting something, and really, what did you think was good or bad about it, and engaging that because if you aren't, it's going to be harder for you to actually learn about all of those different micro decision and what its impact is.

“How often are you having a conversation with somebody about products, dissecting something, and really, what did you think was good or bad about it, and engaging that because if you aren't, it's going to be harder for you to actually learn about all of those different micro decision and what its impact is.”
Speaker
Julie Zhuo
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

07 / recommendation

My number one advice is try to find an angle that's going to work for you because if you find yourself writing for your audience, if you find yourself writing because you want likes or you want a certain number of views, that actually is a really hard barrier to overcome because you don't have control over all of that. But if you write because you're trying to work on a particular key skill, whether it is clarity of thinking, whether it's helping you work through some stuff that's complicated in your mind, whether it's just, again, working on being more comfortable, putting your voice out there, then make it a goal, but make it a action goal.

“My number one advice is try to find an angle that's going to work for you because if you find yourself writing for your audience, if you find yourself writing because you want likes or you want a certain number of views, that actually is a really hard barrier to overcome because you don't have control over all of that. But if you write because you're trying to work on a particular key skill, whether it is clarity of thinking, whether it's helping you work through some stuff that's complicated in your mind, whether it's just, again, working on being more comfortable, putting your voice out there, then make it a goal, but make it a action goal.”
Speaker
Julie Zhuo
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

08 / recommendation

That's the next most important bucket. And then finally, if it is valuable, it's easy to use, then I think we get into is it joyful to use, is it pleasurable, does it really exceed expectations, and I think that is the bar that we should aim for whenever we are creating products.

“That's the next most important bucket. And then finally, if it is valuable, it's easy to use, then I think we get into is it joyful to use, is it pleasurable, does it really exceed expectations, and I think that is the bar that we should aim for whenever we are creating products.”
Speaker
Julie Zhuo
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast
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