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A billion years of evolution in a single afternoon — George Church

26 Jun 2025 20 published claims 2 attributable people

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04 / belief

I would say mostly GWAS for humans, maybe for animals in general. For animals with synthetic biology, the smaller and the cheaper and faster replicating, the more experiments you can do.

“I would say mostly GWAS for humans, maybe for animals in general. For animals with synthetic biology, the smaller and the cheaper and faster replicating, the more experiments you can do.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

05 / belief

I think right now, the baby step, or actually the pretty big baby step, is to eliminate diseases or at least make it possible for people to eliminate their own diseases as they see fit.

“I think right now, the baby step, or actually the pretty big baby step, is to eliminate diseases or at least make it possible for people to eliminate their own diseases as they see fit.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

06 / belief

As a consequence, I think we have a kind of international set of alumni that are quite nice to each other even though they're supposedly in cutthroat fields.

“As a consequence, I think we have a kind of international set of alumni that are quite nice to each other even though they're supposedly in cutthroat fields.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

08 / belief

I think on net it was a good thing that the NSF and the NIH and all these budgets were blown up and got DOGE’d and so forth…” I'm not saying you think this is likely, but suppose there ends up being a positive story told in retrospect.

“I think on net it was a good thing that the NSF and the NIH and all these budgets were blown up and got DOGE’d and so forth…” I'm not saying you think this is likely, but suppose there ends up being a positive story told in retrospect.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

11 / prediction

It's going to go pretty fast with just regular AI without AGI. But if you add to it AGI… It'll also be a positive feedback loop, because the more people that get fixed or get access to good healthcare, the more people will be helping prompt the AI, if that's necessary.

“It's going to go pretty fast with just regular AI without AGI. But if you add to it AGI… It'll also be a positive feedback loop, because the more people that get fixed or get access to good healthcare, the more people will be helping prompt the AI, if that's necessary.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

12 / evaluation

Very often there's low-hanging fruit that people just think is improbable. But it's there because biology has all these gifts where it just hands over to us levers that we can flip.

“Very often there's low-hanging fruit that people just think is improbable. But it's there because biology has all these gifts where it just hands over to us levers that we can flip.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

14 / evaluation

I guess I am curious if there is some long-run vision, where… To give another example, in cybersecurity, as time has gone on, I think our systems are more secure today than they were in the past because we found vulnerabilities and we've come up with new encryption schemes and so forth.

“I guess I am curious if there is some long-run vision, where… To give another example, in cybersecurity, as time has gone on, I think our systems are more secure today than they were in the past because we found vulnerabilities and we've come up with new encryption schemes and so forth.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

15 / prediction

I think we're on the cusp of getting the tools to do that, like the transcription factor I was talking about earlier, harnessing migration, gradients of diffusion factors, chemotaxis and so forth.

“I think we're on the cusp of getting the tools to do that, like the transcription factor I was talking about earlier, harnessing migration, gradients of diffusion factors, chemotaxis and so forth.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

16 / evaluation

I would say that if you wanted to make a copy of a complicated book, it would be easier to take photographs of each of the pages than to completely translate it into another language—trying to get all the nuances of the poetry and so forth—if your goal is just to replicate it.

“I would say that if you wanted to make a copy of a complicated book, it would be easier to take photographs of each of the pages than to completely translate it into another language—trying to get all the nuances of the poetry and so forth—if your goal is just to replicate it.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

17 / prediction

Just like I wrote a paper long ago about the dangers of having the synthetic capabilities we have for making synthetic viruses, and to some extent of having new genetic codes.

“Just like I wrote a paper long ago about the dangers of having the synthetic capabilities we have for making synthetic viruses, and to some extent of having new genetic codes.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

18 / evaluation

This is not like COVID-19, where millions of people were dying if we delayed the science. This is something where, if there ever is a crisis, it's because we created it, it's not because we're trying to solve it.

“This is not like COVID-19, where millions of people were dying if we delayed the science. This is something where, if there ever is a crisis, it's because we created it, it's not because we're trying to solve it.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

19 / prediction

With biology, the kind of evidence would be that you show in a laboratory using prebiotic conditions a really simple way to get life. It's harder to prove the negative because we don't know all the possible prebiotic conditions.

“With biology, the kind of evidence would be that you show in a laboratory using prebiotic conditions a really simple way to get life. It's harder to prove the negative because we don't know all the possible prebiotic conditions.”
Speaker
George Church
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast
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