Dwarkesh Podcast / episode intelligence
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27 published records
01 / evaluation
“It's because it's very compartmentalized. Back in the 2000s, before SMIC got big, it was actually much more open and more flat.”
02 / evaluation
“If you could hire these people, it would probably be worth a lot to you because you're building a fab that's worth tens of billions of dollars.”
03 / evaluation
“The beautiful thing about AI is that because it's growing so fast, every layer is being stressed to an incredible degree.”
04 / belief
“Of course. I agree with you. But I also agree with Dylan. It can be achieved. ROI, TSMC does this.”
05 / belief
“You should tell that story, actually, about the TSMC guy that went to Samsung and SMIC and all that. I think you should tell that story.”
06 / belief
“Basically, at some point, a guy somewhere says, "I think we can move forward with this.”
07 / uncertainty
“Another is NVIDIA. I don’t know how this works. Presumably, they have some sort of know-how.”
08 / observation
“The way to look at it today is that it’s super stratified. Every industry has anywhere from one to three competitors.”
09 / uncertainty
“What we see beyond that is more questionable and I'm not sure because I don't know.”
10 / evaluation
“Let's just give the number to like, “Okay, it’s 2025 and Elon's cluster is going to be the biggest…” It doesn’t matter who it is.”
11 / belief
“I think more reasonably, it will be like the total summation of the flops that you deliver to the model across pre-training, post-training, synthetic data for that pre-training and post-training data, as well as some of the inference time compute efficiencies.”
12 / belief
“You have multiple, at least five, I believe GB200 100K clusters being built by Microsoft/OpenAItheir partners for them.”
13 / belief
“You could just destroy every GPU in a data center if you want if you just fuck with the grid, pretty easily, I think.”
14 / uncertainty
“How are you doing research and making a video twice a week? I don't know. I do these, I'm just fucking talking.”
15 / belief
“Next year, 300-500k depending on whether it's one site or many. 300-700k I think is the upper bound of that.”
16 / belief
“We think, with fairly high accuracy, that there are five regions that they're connecting together, which comprises many data centers.”
17 / belief
“I think Jon and I could communicate to the point where you even wouldn't know what we're talking about.”
18 / evaluation
“All in all, you only save about 20% in power per transistor. But because of data locality and movement of data, you actually get a much larger improvement in power efficiency by moving to the next node than just the individual transistors' power efficiency benefit.”
19 / preference
“You just go down the list. That means no fridges, no automobiles, no weed whackers, because that stuff has chips.”
20 / prediction
“Anyway, there's a tremendous opportunity to bring breakthrough innovation simply because there are so many layers where things are unoptimized.”
21 / prediction
“I'd bet if AI is as important as you and I believe, they will centralize sooner than the West does.”
22 / observation
“What has happened is the output per individual has soared because of EDA (Electronic Design Assistance) tooling.”
23 / recommendation
“If you want to restrict them from having chips, you have to let them have at least some level of chip that is better than what they can build internally.”
24 / evaluation
“Then as soon as I started making money… I grew up in a family business, but I didn't get paid for working, of course, like yourself.”
25 / uncertainty
“I don't know if we could tell because they could also just easily spawn like 10 other aluminum mills to make up for the production and be fine.”
26 / prediction
“China has no issue with that at all because their supply chain adds as much power as like half of Europe every year.”
27 / preference
“” The way I like to look at it is that chip manufacturing is like 3D chess or like a massive jigsaw puzzle.”