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2 Oct 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast @Asianometry & Dylan Patel — How the semiconductor industry actually works
“All in all, you only save about 20% in power per transistor. But because of data locality and movement of data, you actually get a much larger improvement in power efficiency by moving to the next node than just the individual transistors' power efficiency benefit.”
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- 2 Oct 2024
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…How big is the difference between 7nm to 5nm to 3nm? Is it a huge deal in terms of who can build the biggest cluster? There's this simplistic argument that moving a process node only saves X percent in power. That has been petering out. When you moved from 90 nanometer to 80 or 70 something, you got 2x. Dennard scaling was still intact. But now when you move from 5 nanometer to 3 nanometer, you don't double density. SRAM doesn't scale at all. Logic does scale, but it's like 30%. All in all, you only save about 20% in power per transistor. But because of data locality and movement of data, you actually get a much larger improvement in power efficiency by moving to the next node than just the individual transistors' power efficiency benefit. For example, if you're multiplying a matrix that's 8,000 by 8,000 by 8,000, you can't fit that all on one chip. But if you could fit more and more, you have to move off chip less, go to memory less, etc. The data locality helps a lot too. AI really, really wants new process nodes because power usage is a lot less, you get higher density and higher performance. The big deal is if I have a gigawatt data center, how much more flops can I get? If I have a two gigawatt data center, how much more flops can I get? If I have a ten gigawatt data center, how much more flops can I get? You look at the scaling and everyone needs to go to the most recent process node as soon as possible. I want to ask a normie question… I won’t phrase it that way.…
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