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Product management theater | Marty Cagan (Silicon Valley Product Group)

10 Mar 2024 16 published claims 2 attributable people
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Marty CaganLenny Rachitsky

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belief 5evaluation 3preference 3recommendation 2observation 1prediction 1commitment 1

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16 published records

01 / recommendation

Likes Build.

“I love the new book from Tony Fadell called Build. It's a wonderful book and he's describing the product model, but for hardware devices and his perspective was fabulous. He had a front row seat to some of the most iconic products in the world, the iPod, the iPhone, the Nest devices. Love it. So I loved his book and I've been recommending it to all kinds of people. Another one I really liked is, do you know Tim Urban, the guy behind Wait But Why? Absolutely. I just love the way this guy thinks. And he wrote a book called What's Our Problem? that I found really provocative. Challenged me in a hundred different ways, so love that.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

02 / belief

For a long time, we're going to have no PMs. It's like this general idea, and I think you're saying a lot of this comes from many people who were hired as product managers that are not good at the job and people's experience with PMs is those sorts of people.

“For a long time, we're going to have no PMs. It's like this general idea, and I think you're saying a lot of this comes from many people who were hired as product managers that are not good at the job and people's experience with PMs is those sorts of people.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

03 / belief

All right. So with the writing, I think an implication with the way you're describing is basically you're telling people things they don't want to hear but they need to hear.

“All right. So with the writing, I think an implication with the way you're describing is basically you're telling people things they don't want to hear but they need to hear.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

04 / belief

I think that's such a powerful insight you just shared, that most of the content you find online about product management is, I think you called it 90%, or it's just from companies that are not doing it the right way, feature teams is the way you described it.

“I think that's such a powerful insight you just shared, that most of the content you find online about product management is, I think you called it 90%, or it's just from companies that are not doing it the right way, feature teams is the way you described it.”
Speaker
Lenny Rachitsky
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

05 / belief

Too many people in our industry view themselves as a victim of their company, like they're stuck in a feature team and there's nothing they can do about it other than quit. I think that's not true.

“Too many people in our industry view themselves as a victim of their company, like they're stuck in a feature team and there's nothing they can do about it other than quit. I think that's not true.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

07 / observation

I will tell you I've seen too many companies where the product leaders are not doing their job, so what they do is they hire product ops to try to do their job.

“I will tell you I've seen too many companies where the product leaders are not doing their job, so what they do is they hire product ops to try to do their job.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

08 / evaluation

Because if you've been asked to solve these problems, that means you have to come up with a solution that's not only usable and feasible, which is what a feature team does, but is also valuable and viable.

“Because if you've been asked to solve these problems, that means you have to come up with a solution that's not only usable and feasible, which is what a feature team does, but is also valuable and viable.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

10 / preference

Some people use the term product led company or product driven company, but those two we just don't like because it gives all the wrong message and the rest of the company thinks it's a power grab.

“Some people use the term product led company or product driven company, but those two we just don't like because it gives all the wrong message and the rest of the company thinks it's a power grab.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

11 / evaluation

We would share those techniques 'cause that's what we share. But the single most common question we got honestly from the first edition of INSPIRED was that people would read the book and they would say, I love this, I want to do this.

“We would share those techniques 'cause that's what we share. But the single most common question we got honestly from the first edition of INSPIRED was that people would read the book and they would say, I love this, I want to do this.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

12 / prediction

At a minimum, I tell people, and I've seen this countless times, at a minimum, your company will appreciate it and probably promote you because you will be one of the few that actually understands these things.

“At a minimum, I tell people, and I've seen this countless times, at a minimum, your company will appreciate it and probably promote you because you will be one of the few that actually understands these things.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

13 / preference

For one, I love working with startups, but as you know, a lot of startups are dominated by the founder and the early people and it almost doesn't matter what techniques they use.

“For one, I love working with startups, but as you know, a lot of startups are dominated by the founder and the early people and it almost doesn't matter what techniques they use.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

14 / evaluation

You obviously could describe what you do better than anyone, but my take is that you are, and this is what I find valuable, you're sharing a broad range, increasingly broad range of perspectives, people, ways of working, ways of doing products, experiments with the product model, experiments in leadership.

“You obviously could describe what you do better than anyone, but my take is that you are, and this is what I find valuable, you're sharing a broad range, increasingly broad range of perspectives, people, ways of working, ways of doing products, experiments with the product model, experiments in leadership.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast

15 / recommendation

The bigger surprise honestly is it's taken so long for so many companies to realize what is going on. And bottom line is today I think everybody, especially outside in those big process and role heavy companies, they need to take a hard look at how they build products and how they serve their customers.

“The bigger surprise honestly is it's taken so long for so many companies to realize what is going on. And bottom line is today I think everybody, especially outside in those big process and role heavy companies, they need to take a hard look at how they build products and how they serve their customers.”
Speaker
Marty Cagan
Publisher
Lenny's Podcast
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