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Dan Wang on What China and America Can Learn from Each Other

3 Dec 2025 49 published claims 2 attributable people

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49 published records

01 / evaluation

Chinese suburbs strike me as really quite mediocre. They can have excellent food as pretty much all of China does, but after that, I don’t see anything to recommend them at all.

“Chinese suburbs strike me as really quite mediocre. They can have excellent food as pretty much all of China does, but after that, I don’t see anything to recommend them at all.”
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Tyler Cowen
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02 / evaluation

Why think the Chinese are doing it well? They’re obsessed with technology, but because they don’t have the private sector involved enough, they make the wrong picks.

“Why think the Chinese are doing it well? They’re obsessed with technology, but because they don’t have the private sector involved enough, they make the wrong picks.”
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10 / belief

I think one other remarkable thing about Stendhal is just that he inspires passion among those of us who appreciate the Italian ecstatic commitment to the art of song.

“I think one other remarkable thing about Stendhal is just that he inspires passion among those of us who appreciate the Italian ecstatic commitment to the art of song.”
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14 / belief

I’m not a big fanatic in terms of bikeable lanes, but I think there are things that we can do to at least reduce how difficult it is to get around in places like New York City, especially, where going to JFK is an ordeal, and leaving JFK is an even worse idea.

“I’m not a big fanatic in terms of bikeable lanes, but I think there are things that we can do to at least reduce how difficult it is to get around in places like New York City, especially, where going to JFK is an ordeal, and leaving JFK is an even worse idea.”
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Dan Wang
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15 / belief

I think that what I would love is for the US to be 20% more engineering so that we can have all of this mass transit to fix all of the broken manufacturing that the US has.

“I think that what I would love is for the US to be 20% more engineering so that we can have all of this mass transit to fix all of the broken manufacturing that the US has.”
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16 / belief

If I think about the spectacular record of Chinese economic growth, and this is not only in the nation of China, but around the world, my unconfirmed hypothesis is that a lot of it is due to the fact that Chinese ex ante, before they were rich, already had high IQs, whether that’s this tradition of education, the exam system, earlier urbanization in mainland China, whatever.

“If I think about the spectacular record of Chinese economic growth, and this is not only in the nation of China, but around the world, my unconfirmed hypothesis is that a lot of it is due to the fact that Chinese ex ante, before they were rich, already had high IQs, whether that’s this tradition of education, the exam system, earlier urbanization in mainland China, whatever.”
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Tyler Cowen
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18 / belief

I think that there is also some pretty decent visual art culture in Yunnan, in part because during the Second World War, major parts of the nationalist government retreated to Chongqing.

“I think that there is also some pretty decent visual art culture in Yunnan, in part because during the Second World War, major parts of the nationalist government retreated to Chongqing.”
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Dan Wang
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20 / belief

I think having that very intense Leninist focus on not being dissolved, like the historical predecessor, is going to be a pretty important fact of not liberalizing and not democratizing.

“I think having that very intense Leninist focus on not being dissolved, like the historical predecessor, is going to be a pretty important fact of not liberalizing and not democratizing.”
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Dan Wang
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23 / uncertainty

I don’t know. Be a political scientist for a moment. As you well know, it was commonly predicted here in the 1990s, for instance, that China would become democratic just as Taiwan had done.

“I don’t know. Be a political scientist for a moment. As you well know, it was commonly predicted here in the 1990s, for instance, that China would become democratic just as Taiwan had done.”
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Tyler Cowen
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25 / belief

When you do that with a really good piece of writing, whether that’s a New Yorker article, or a really good book, you start having a sense of the choices that the author was making in terms of syntax, in terms of sentence length, in terms of the word choices, and being in a position to make those sorts of choices, I think, is very valuable.

“When you do that with a really good piece of writing, whether that’s a New Yorker article, or a really good book, you start having a sense of the choices that the author was making in terms of syntax, in terms of sentence length, in terms of the word choices, and being in a position to make those sorts of choices, I think, is very valuable.”
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Dan Wang
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27 / belief

I think we can debate the premise of whether AI is going to be the sharp tip of the spear to be almost essentially the final technology, in which we don’t need much more technology after this one.

“I think we can debate the premise of whether AI is going to be the sharp tip of the spear to be almost essentially the final technology, in which we don’t need much more technology after this one.”
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Dan Wang
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29 / belief

First, as someone from southwest China, which is an economic backwater even today, hiding out from the state, hiding away from the imperial gaze, from Beijing, as well as the excessive commercialism of Shanghai, I am much more skeptical of Beijing’s power than I think someone who would just celebrate the grandeur.

“First, as someone from southwest China, which is an economic backwater even today, hiding out from the state, hiding away from the imperial gaze, from Beijing, as well as the excessive commercialism of Shanghai, I am much more skeptical of Beijing’s power than I think someone who would just celebrate the grandeur.”
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Dan Wang
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30 / belief

I think I am thinking in terms of my professional life, having more extensive following along evaluation of the US-China competition, and I am trying to come to a net assessment of what is going on between the US and China.

“I think I am thinking in terms of my professional life, having more extensive following along evaluation of the US-China competition, and I am trying to come to a net assessment of what is going on between the US and China.”
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33 / commitment

I wonder if we will ever have a good answer of what Hu Jintao was looking at, and what he was objecting to, and why Xi Jinping decided to humiliate an elder in that way.

“I wonder if we will ever have a good answer of what Hu Jintao was looking at, and what he was objecting to, and why Xi Jinping decided to humiliate an elder in that way.”
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Dan Wang
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37 / uncertainty

I will also say that part of the reason that I’m so into some of these tribes is that, the ethnic groups in China is that within my family allure — again, I don’t know how accurate this is — but there’s speculation that through one of my grandmothers who come from, whose origins are cheerfully unknown, that we have Tibetan heritage through her or Wa heritage through her.

“I will also say that part of the reason that I’m so into some of these tribes is that, the ethnic groups in China is that within my family allure — again, I don’t know how accurate this is — but there’s speculation that through one of my grandmothers who come from, whose origins are cheerfully unknown, that we have Tibetan heritage through her or Wa heritage through her.”
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Dan Wang
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38 / belief

Part of why I think that China has lacked a liberal tradition, which I understand as having constraints on the court imposed by either the church, other religious authorities, the aristocrats, or merchants, is because the court has captured the entirety of the intelligentsia through the administration of the exams.

“Part of why I think that China has lacked a liberal tradition, which I understand as having constraints on the court imposed by either the church, other religious authorities, the aristocrats, or merchants, is because the court has captured the entirety of the intelligentsia through the administration of the exams.”
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Dan Wang
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40 / prediction

We can have Canada saying that, we can have Austria saying that, but I think the Chinese really, really mean it because over the last two centuries, they’ve understood part of their self-described humiliations as not possessing technology, when the European imperialists, as well as the Japanese fascists, made incursions into China because they did have technology.

“We can have Canada saying that, we can have Austria saying that, but I think the Chinese really, really mean it because over the last two centuries, they’ve understood part of their self-described humiliations as not possessing technology, when the European imperialists, as well as the Japanese fascists, made incursions into China because they did have technology.”
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Dan Wang
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42 / prediction

I’m not expecting that China will have American-style suburbs anytime soon, in part because of the social engineering projects that are pretty extensive in China.

“I’m not expecting that China will have American-style suburbs anytime soon, in part because of the social engineering projects that are pretty extensive in China.”
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Dan Wang
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43 / recommendation

I think there should also be much better transit options within cities as well, because we are working through these subway systems built mostly 100 years ago now in New York City, which are screechingly loud.

“I think there should also be much better transit options within cities as well, because we are working through these subway systems built mostly 100 years ago now in New York City, which are screechingly loud.”
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Dan Wang
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45 / evaluation

They simply understand, “Oh, the rules have changed, and now I need to pivot.” This is also something that I think speaks to some of these Chinese attitudes where Xi Jinping and the rest of the Communist Party is able to generate a lot of economic growth simply because it has been pretty easy to be a Chinese official in the last 20 years, mostly before Xi’s era, in which the bureaucratic incentives were simply to maximize GDP growth and minimize the mass incidents, which is the Chinese euphemism for protests.

“They simply understand, “Oh, the rules have changed, and now I need to pivot.” This is also something that I think speaks to some of these Chinese attitudes where Xi Jinping and the rest of the Communist Party is able to generate a lot of economic growth simply because it has been pretty easy to be a Chinese official in the last 20 years, mostly before Xi’s era, in which the bureaucratic incentives were simply to maximize GDP growth and minimize the mass incidents, which is the Chinese euphemism for protests.”
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Dan Wang
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46 / preference

It is these voices encircling and entwining, which I think is one of the most beautiful parts of opera ever. This is something that I sometimes listen to on loop when I’m writing, because there is just a remarkable beauty.

“It is these voices encircling and entwining, which I think is one of the most beautiful parts of opera ever. This is something that I sometimes listen to on loop when I’m writing, because there is just a remarkable beauty.”
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Dan Wang
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49 / commitment

Something I take away from some of the commanding officers whom I grew close to, they would tell me that the ethic of the army was that whatever you imagine is the most difficult thing, you should simply reconceptualize it as the easiest thing, and then you just do it.

“Something I take away from some of the commanding officers whom I grew close to, they would tell me that the ethic of the army was that whatever you imagine is the most difficult thing, you should simply reconceptualize it as the easiest thing, and then you just do it.”
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Dan Wang
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