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Ian Leslie on McCartney, Lennon, and the Greatest Creative Partnership of All Time

16 Apr 2025 29 published claims 2 attributable people

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03 / belief

I think if the Get Back movie had been shot while they were recording Revolver, for instance, a couple of years earlier, we would have seen a very different John.

“I think if the Get Back movie had been shot while they were recording Revolver, for instance, a couple of years earlier, we would have seen a very different John.”
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05 / belief

I think some of the performances on Wings Over America are pretty good, but I generally agree, and it leads my mind to this larger point, which is that part of the reason they were so incredibly innovative in the first place was that they were British and therefore had this distance from American music.

“I think some of the performances on Wings Over America are pretty good, but I generally agree, and it leads my mind to this larger point, which is that part of the reason they were so incredibly innovative in the first place was that they were British and therefore had this distance from American music.”
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Ian Leslie
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08 / belief

I think he was upset at Spector just more generally for having the arrogance to come in and change the Beatles’ music in any way without Paul’s permission.

“I think he was upset at Spector just more generally for having the arrogance to come in and change the Beatles’ music in any way without Paul’s permission.”
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Ian Leslie
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10 / belief

I think my lead would be, “What’s the New Mary Jane,” that if you had given Paul his way with it over the course of a week, he might have turned it into something great, even though it’s a John song.

“I think my lead would be, “What’s the New Mary Jane,” that if you had given Paul his way with it over the course of a week, he might have turned it into something great, even though it’s a John song.”
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Tyler Cowen
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11 / belief

I think the better version, better alternative history might have been George does All Things Must Pass, John does Imagine, and Paul does Ram, and then the next year, they do a Beatles album.

“I think the better version, better alternative history might have been George does All Things Must Pass, John does Imagine, and Paul does Ram, and then the next year, they do a Beatles album.”
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Ian Leslie
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12 / belief

I think you could see even earlier in “I’ll Follow the Sun,” that sense of just keep on keeping on, just a sense of a troubadour with a guitar who’s just going to keep playing and will never get too attached to anybody.

“I think you could see even earlier in “I’ll Follow the Sun,” that sense of just keep on keeping on, just a sense of a troubadour with a guitar who’s just going to keep playing and will never get too attached to anybody.”
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Ian Leslie
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13 / belief

Then, I know this is not an album, but YouTube cuts of Wings playing live with Jimmy McCulloch on guitar, I think are generally better than Wings Over America, which is quite good for a live album.

“Then, I know this is not an album, but YouTube cuts of Wings playing live with Jimmy McCulloch on guitar, I think are generally better than Wings Over America, which is quite good for a live album.”
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Tyler Cowen
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14 / belief

I think of Jagger-Richards as ultimately a business relationship, where they’re quite happy to give up being creative just to make a lot of money, and it becomes not interesting for 50 years.

“I think of Jagger-Richards as ultimately a business relationship, where they’re quite happy to give up being creative just to make a lot of money, and it becomes not interesting for 50 years.”
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Tyler Cowen
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16 / belief

” Then Paul takes it and just takes it to another level. I agree. I do think the result is really beautiful and a really underrated song from Paul’s post-Beatles career.

“” Then Paul takes it and just takes it to another level. I agree. I do think the result is really beautiful and a really underrated song from Paul’s post-Beatles career.”
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Ian Leslie
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17 / belief

There’s a lot of songs on it, like “Meat City” or “I Know” that seem forgotten, but they’re very good. I think the production is systematically weak, but the songs are excellent.

“There’s a lot of songs on it, like “Meat City” or “I Know” that seem forgotten, but they’re very good. I think the production is systematically weak, but the songs are excellent.”
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Tyler Cowen
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18 / belief

I think Walls and Bridges is really pretty good. With the exception of Imagine and the Plastic Ono Band, I’m not a huge fan of his subsequent albums, but I do think Walls and Bridges and Mind Games are pretty good.

“I think Walls and Bridges is really pretty good. With the exception of Imagine and the Plastic Ono Band, I’m not a huge fan of his subsequent albums, but I do think Walls and Bridges and Mind Games are pretty good.”
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Ian Leslie
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20 / evaluation

” By 1965, mainly because of John, partly because of Dylan, who was incredibly boiling with hostility and anger, at times anyway, McCartney was really uncovering that side of himself as well and pouring that into songs.

“” By 1965, mainly because of John, partly because of Dylan, who was incredibly boiling with hostility and anger, at times anyway, McCartney was really uncovering that side of himself as well and pouring that into songs.”
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Ian Leslie
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25 / evaluation

Postman” and others for John. They find the emotional heart of these songs in a way that sometimes the originals, which are a bit neater and have the edges sawn off, were not able to do, and I think that is just what makes them really so powerful.

“Postman” and others for John. They find the emotional heart of these songs in a way that sometimes the originals, which are a bit neater and have the edges sawn off, were not able to do, and I think that is just what makes them really so powerful.”
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Ian Leslie
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27 / evaluation

You can debate who did what on Pussy Cats, but “Many Rivers to Cross” and “Subterranean Homesick Blues” — I think of them as much John songs as Harry songs.

“You can debate who did what on Pussy Cats, but “Many Rivers to Cross” and “Subterranean Homesick Blues” — I think of them as much John songs as Harry songs.”
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Tyler Cowen
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28 / prediction

I think he should have just taken over, but he does, I think, only in the one song called “All My Loving,” which sounds quite like Paul, and the title itself tells you something.

“I think he should have just taken over, but he does, I think, only in the one song called “All My Loving,” which sounds quite like Paul, and the title itself tells you something.”
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Tyler Cowen
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29 / evaluation

I think everything would be better as a Beatles’ song because I think that when they played together, there was just this magic thing that happened.

“I think everything would be better as a Beatles’ song because I think that when they played together, there was just this magic thing that happened.”
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Ian Leslie
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