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Michael Timothy Bennett: Defining Intelligence and AGI Approaches

28 Aug 2025 19 published claims 1 attributable person
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Tim Scarfe

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01 / recommendation

And if you just if you really wanna make an objective claim or a claim about objective behavior to be more exact, need to formalize what must be true of all abstraction layers, not just a sort of a fixed subset assuming some basic layer that you can identify. Because we we're sort of all interacting with the world through our own abstraction layers anyway.

“And if you just if you really wanna make an objective claim or a claim about objective behavior to be more exact, need to formalize what must be true of all abstraction layers, not just a sort of a fixed subset assuming some basic layer that you can identify. Because we we're sort of all interacting with the world through our own abstraction layers anyway.”
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03 / evaluation

So how sample and energy efficient you are. And then later, I found Pei Wang's definition, which preceded mine by several years, as adaptation with limited resources, which I think is really succinct and clear.

“So how sample and energy efficient you are. And then later, I found Pei Wang's definition, which preceded mine by several years, as adaptation with limited resources, which I think is really succinct and clear.”
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04 / observation

These are all high level abstractions we humans use to simplify the world. And as the problem of relative complexity in an interactive setting kind of illustrates, if I use a different set of abstractions to achieve the same ends, I can make it I can make something very difficult or very easy.

“These are all high level abstractions we humans use to simplify the world. And as the problem of relative complexity in an interactive setting kind of illustrates, if I use a different set of abstractions to achieve the same ends, I can make it I can make something very difficult or very easy.”
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05 / belief

I think there was a distinction as well that certainly Legg and Hunter, they were very focused on on their simplification of of the model and Occam's razor.

“I think there was a distinction as well that certainly Legg and Hunter, they were very focused on on their simplification of of the model and Occam's razor.”
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Tim Scarfe
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Machine Learning Street Talk

09 / disagreement

I disagree with some of the theoretical foundations, and I you know, a lot of my publications are about, like, what we could do better, but I find the overall idea of IXC very compelling, and it has informed a lot of my work.

“I disagree with some of the theoretical foundations, and I you know, a lot of my publications are about, like, what we could do better, but I find the overall idea of IXC very compelling, and it has informed a lot of my work.”
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10 / belief

Yeah. And and adaptively learning it is definitely the way to go because we we have learned the abstractions we have in order to because these things are useful to us.

“Yeah. And and adaptively learning it is definitely the way to go because we we have learned the abstractions we have in order to because these things are useful to us.”
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16 / evaluation

There is just 1 potential objection, which is that you know what a lot of theories of consciousness do is is they kind of they they brush it to 1 side and they treat it as something which is epiphenomenal, which means that it's not like causally embedded in in the system.

“There is just 1 potential objection, which is that you know what a lot of theories of consciousness do is is they kind of they they brush it to 1 side and they treat it as something which is epiphenomenal, which means that it's not like causally embedded in in the system.”
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Tim Scarfe
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Machine Learning Street Talk

17 / prediction

I guess, in a way, I can't challenge you because you're already saying they need to be biological and and like, you know, physical and real and so because I mean, my my obvious retort to that would be, well, a computer simulation of those things obviously wouldn't be conscious.

“I guess, in a way, I can't challenge you because you're already saying they need to be biological and and like, you know, physical and real and so because I mean, my my obvious retort to that would be, well, a computer simulation of those things obviously wouldn't be conscious.”
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Tim Scarfe
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Machine Learning Street Talk

18 / prediction

Yeah. And and if I understand correctly, I I think that I've spent years since I read that 2007 paper, but but it it it was about an agent minimizing common complexity, which can, like, do well on a on a the the expected performance on a wide range of environments.

“Yeah. And and if I understand correctly, I I think that I've spent years since I read that 2007 paper, but but it it it was about an agent minimizing common complexity, which can, like, do well on a on a the the expected performance on a wide range of environments.”
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Tim Scarfe
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Machine Learning Street Talk
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