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Conversations with Tyler · 6 Oct 2016

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01 / belief

One is that they really did quite a bit under Donald Trump. It’s very unfortunate, I think, that both policy and structure of policy got disowned afterwards, but they did quite a bit to speed the ability to not just bring these things to research and to market, but the government was very active in there trying to figure out how to make sure supply constraints and secondary items like vials — because the vials need to be refrigerated and so on — that it wouldn’t retard the rollout.

“One is that they really did quite a bit under Donald Trump. It’s very unfortunate, I think, that both policy and structure of policy got disowned afterwards, but they did quite a bit to speed the ability to not just bring these things to research and to market, but the government was very active in there trying to figure out how to make sure supply constraints and secondary items like vials — because the vials need to be refrigerated and so on — that it wouldn’t retard the rollout.”
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02 / belief

You’re, of course, right about the extraordinary success the American military has integrating immigrants, integrating first-generation Americans. It’s again a reason why I think that part of JD Vance’s speech was, let’s call it unkind as a very low level, because plenty of people fight and die for this country who do not have seven generations buried in the same Kentucky graveyard, But at the same time, I think that there is something missing about it.

“You’re, of course, right about the extraordinary success the American military has integrating immigrants, integrating first-generation Americans. It’s again a reason why I think that part of JD Vance’s speech was, let’s call it unkind as a very low level, because plenty of people fight and die for this country who do not have seven generations buried in the same Kentucky graveyard, But at the same time, I think that there is something missing about it.”
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03 / belief

I think that people who are in my position — and I think people care about effective government — really need to look with some anger and shame about the way in which the people who believe in government basically gave up on government reform and left that to this kind of process.

“I think that people who are in my position — and I think people care about effective government — really need to look with some anger and shame about the way in which the people who believe in government basically gave up on government reform and left that to this kind of process.”
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04 / belief

There are different people I feel more allied with on the right, even if we don’t have all the same views, as opposed to, I think, what we are actually having, which is over legitimacy, which I think is a pretty toxic form of division.

“There are different people I feel more allied with on the right, even if we don’t have all the same views, as opposed to, I think, what we are actually having, which is over legitimacy, which I think is a pretty toxic form of division.”
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05 / belief

I agree with you that, in theory, should be the case, but I do think that, as you actually see it emerge from “in theory should be the case” till we figure out a way to do it, it’s going to turn out that things the federal government does are not all that like [putting] an image prompt into a thing.

“I agree with you that, in theory, should be the case, but I do think that, as you actually see it emerge from “in theory should be the case” till we figure out a way to do it, it’s going to turn out that things the federal government does are not all that like [putting] an image prompt into a thing.”
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06 / belief

Look, I think that people, when they get rich, want space. So, to the extent that density makes it harder to have space, I think people at a certain level of wealth probably have both a place in the city and a place a bit outside the city.

“Look, I think that people, when they get rich, want space. So, to the extent that density makes it harder to have space, I think people at a certain level of wealth probably have both a place in the city and a place a bit outside the city.”
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07 / belief

You have a society there that there is an anchor weight of just what is normal being placed by the fact that there is still a huge conservative religious community. But just doing the thing I think JD Vance was trying to do when he was scolding childless cat ladies — that doesn’t appear to work.

“You have a society there that there is an anchor weight of just what is normal being placed by the fact that there is still a huge conservative religious community. But just doing the thing I think JD Vance was trying to do when he was scolding childless cat ladies — that doesn’t appear to work.”
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09 / belief

I think you need something like that to protect against the creep of those designations covering, in effect, a quarter of these entire cities or half of these entire cities.

“I think you need something like that to protect against the creep of those designations covering, in effect, a quarter of these entire cities or half of these entire cities.”
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11 / belief

” To the extent I’m pessimistic about both the ability to control use policy here and pessimistic about the ability of culture to act in an organized fashion — people have chosen to change the culture and the culture had a downstream change — is because I think that some of the societies in Asia and other places that have entered into a very rapid shrinkage and have treated it as a problem, one of them would have figured something out by now.

“” To the extent I’m pessimistic about both the ability to control use policy here and pessimistic about the ability of culture to act in an organized fashion — people have chosen to change the culture and the culture had a downstream change — is because I think that some of the societies in Asia and other places that have entered into a very rapid shrinkage and have treated it as a problem, one of them would have figured something out by now.”
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13 / belief

There is a lesson that is being taught here by Musk, which I think liberals have to look at very uncomfortably, which is that things that they treated as facts of the system that could not be in any way altered and then used as excuses for low-performing government services for genuinely .

“There is a lesson that is being taught here by Musk, which I think liberals have to look at very uncomfortably, which is that things that they treated as facts of the system that could not be in any way altered and then used as excuses for low-performing government services for genuinely .”
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14 / belief

The Republicans still like tax cuts, and they’re going to pass a big one, but in some theoretical way, I think if you follow the intellectual currents here, we are less polarized over things like Obamacare, over taxes, but the question of whether or not the system itself is legitimate, I think is highly, highly polarizing.

“The Republicans still like tax cuts, and they’re going to pass a big one, but in some theoretical way, I think if you follow the intellectual currents here, we are less polarized over things like Obamacare, over taxes, but the question of whether or not the system itself is legitimate, I think is highly, highly polarizing.”
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15 / belief

My sense — talking to a bunch of people in the companies has helped me conceptualize this better — is that the first thing I would do is begin to ask, what do I think the opportunities of AI are, scientifically and in terms of different kinds of discoveries.

“My sense — talking to a bunch of people in the companies has helped me conceptualize this better — is that the first thing I would do is begin to ask, what do I think the opportunities of AI are, scientifically and in terms of different kinds of discoveries.”
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16 / belief

” I think there’s something wrong with this theory because I don’t think it predicts enough about what societies are doing well, and what societies are doing poorly, and in what ways.

“” I think there’s something wrong with this theory because I don’t think it predicts enough about what societies are doing well, and what societies are doing poorly, and in what ways.”
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17 / belief

There was a lot you could do. That, I think, is the good version, where what we’ve had is a fire, and it’ll do things that I am very unhappy about, but it will also open the way to something that is not as relentlessly and illogically bureaucratized as the way government was run under, say, the Biden administration, and is not as destructive and corrupted as what we’re seeing under Trump and Musk.

“There was a lot you could do. That, I think, is the good version, where what we’ve had is a fire, and it’ll do things that I am very unhappy about, but it will also open the way to something that is not as relentlessly and illogically bureaucratized as the way government was run under, say, the Biden administration, and is not as destructive and corrupted as what we’re seeing under Trump and Musk.”
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19 / evaluation

I think in general, at this point, the food in places like Knoxville — all smaller cities — are just better than in the really big cities because so many people have been costed out.

“I think in general, at this point, the food in places like Knoxville — all smaller cities — are just better than in the really big cities because so many people have been costed out.”
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20 / prediction

Then the point I think that you’re making, or that your reader is making, if you drive the price of things too far down, you are going to create shortages of them, and you are going to reduce the incentives to innovate in the future.

“Then the point I think that you’re making, or that your reader is making, if you drive the price of things too far down, you are going to create shortages of them, and you are going to reduce the incentives to innovate in the future.”
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21 / evaluation

The power of these agglomerations is so overwhelming and so sticky that I think you want to be very skeptical of the idea that if you begin to gate one of them, you will have constructive and productive spillover to some other nearby secondary city.

“The power of these agglomerations is so overwhelming and so sticky that I think you want to be very skeptical of the idea that if you begin to gate one of them, you will have constructive and productive spillover to some other nearby secondary city.”
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23 / prediction

I both think we are going to have severe political problems as societies shrink, and in my own moral framework, I think the continuation of human experience is a beautiful and important thing in the way it has just been absorbed into a liberal expressive individualism.

“I both think we are going to have severe political problems as societies shrink, and in my own moral framework, I think the continuation of human experience is a beautiful and important thing in the way it has just been absorbed into a liberal expressive individualism.”
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24 / evaluation

My view is that there are a number of high-density cities that play huge roles in idea generation, and in economic mobility, and you should need to have an extremely good reason to make it very hard to build in them.

“My view is that there are a number of high-density cities that play huge roles in idea generation, and in economic mobility, and you should need to have an extremely good reason to make it very hard to build in them.”
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25 / recommendation

I think you want to be very, very careful about not having any exit from either the government pricing regime or the structure of government insurance because there are things that come into the system that it’s hard to know how to ration them.

“I think you want to be very, very careful about not having any exit from either the government pricing regime or the structure of government insurance because there are things that come into the system that it’s hard to know how to ration them.”
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26 / evaluation

I do believe you have to take care of your people, but I think that once you have accepted the basic view, as I have, that health insurance is a way that is valuable to take care of people, both in terms of their life outcomes and in terms of the quality of life they lead, then I think you are in a place where zeroing it out for poor and elderly people is a bad idea on the merits and also, obviously, a horrific idea politically.

“I do believe you have to take care of your people, but I think that once you have accepted the basic view, as I have, that health insurance is a way that is valuable to take care of people, both in terms of their life outcomes and in terms of the quality of life they lead, then I think you are in a place where zeroing it out for poor and elderly people is a bad idea on the merits and also, obviously, a horrific idea politically.”
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29 / belief

Oh, because I think that in terms of . . . if we’re just asking should the edge cases be decided a little bit more towards censoriousness or a little bit more towards permissiveness.

“Oh, because I think that in terms of . . . if we’re just asking should the edge cases be decided a little bit more towards censoriousness or a little bit more towards permissiveness.”
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30 / belief

I think there is something very interesting and important — I actually tried to talk about it in the book — in the way we actually key left or right increasingly to this cultural dimension. But it is very far from the only dimension operating, and I think that one of the destabilizing tensions of American politics right now is that the Right feels like they are losing on culture, which is what they care about most, and the Left feels like it is losing on economics, which is what it cares about most.

“I think there is something very interesting and important — I actually tried to talk about it in the book — in the way we actually key left or right increasingly to this cultural dimension. But it is very far from the only dimension operating, and I think that one of the destabilizing tensions of American politics right now is that the Right feels like they are losing on culture, which is what they care about most, and the Left feels like it is losing on economics, which is what it cares about most.”
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31 / belief

I think that the media has not in any way effectively adapted to the social media age. So, the way in which we’ve been overturned is that, among other things, we think that our primary power as an institution is that we can cover things positively or negatively, that the thing we’re covering doesn’t much matter so much as how we are covering it.

“I think that the media has not in any way effectively adapted to the social media age. So, the way in which we’ve been overturned is that, among other things, we think that our primary power as an institution is that we can cover things positively or negatively, that the thing we’re covering doesn’t much matter so much as how we are covering it.”
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32 / belief

I think virtually every politician and media figure who goes on Twitter is a worse version of themselves on it than off of it, and that we are in a collective action problem, where it is individually rational for everybody to be on it, and it is collectively bad for all of these institutions to be on it.

“I think virtually every politician and media figure who goes on Twitter is a worse version of themselves on it than off of it, and that we are in a collective action problem, where it is individually rational for everybody to be on it, and it is collectively bad for all of these institutions to be on it.”
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37 / commitment

I think that’s actually a pretty deep question, and this is a question I would like to have a better answer to, and hope over the next year — now that my book is done — to find a better answer to. But I will say in a big level that I think the failures of governance in California are much more profound failures for the Left and for progressivism than people give them credit for.

“I think that’s actually a pretty deep question, and this is a question I would like to have a better answer to, and hope over the next year — now that my book is done — to find a better answer to. But I will say in a big level that I think the failures of governance in California are much more profound failures for the Left and for progressivism than people give them credit for.”
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38 / evaluation

I think that the thing it has probably changed the most is, I have a little bit more appreciation, even than I did before, for the work that people do when they’re actually doing the hard work to understand bureaucratic and human and social complexity because that is something that, when you’re trying to build things, it will scale, or build ideas that really sound great when you say them at a party or something, you tend to underrate.

“I think that the thing it has probably changed the most is, I have a little bit more appreciation, even than I did before, for the work that people do when they’re actually doing the hard work to understand bureaucratic and human and social complexity because that is something that, when you’re trying to build things, it will scale, or build ideas that really sound great when you say them at a party or something, you tend to underrate.”
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40 / prediction

All the questions people bring up in these cases are important. But I think all of them are also less important than the question of, is the future of how we will communicate with each other, of how politicians will communicate with the public, of how, basically, all important communication will be structured and incentivized — is it what gives you the strongest emotional countercharge?

“All the questions people bring up in these cases are important. But I think all of them are also less important than the question of, is the future of how we will communicate with each other, of how politicians will communicate with the public, of how, basically, all important communication will be structured and incentivized — is it what gives you the strongest emotional countercharge?”
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41 / evaluation

I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently, and I’ve been thinking about it in a sense of understanding temperament as a separate axis in politics from ideology, this being something that is particularly hard for us to keep an eye on because we use the same words to describe different things.

“I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently, and I’ve been thinking about it in a sense of understanding temperament as a separate axis in politics from ideology, this being something that is particularly hard for us to keep an eye on because we use the same words to describe different things.”
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42 / prediction

Maybe a very simple way of putting it is, given the stated views of both the Democrats and Republicans on questions like harm and sacredness and so on — where Jon would put them in moral foundations, or other people would put them just in terms of caring about government interference — it seems very plausible that you could’ve had the two parties reverse their position ultimately on abortion, that you could have had a Republican Party that was much more pro-choice because it was worried about government interference in people’s lives, a Democratic Party that had taken the other position for other reasons.

“Maybe a very simple way of putting it is, given the stated views of both the Democrats and Republicans on questions like harm and sacredness and so on — where Jon would put them in moral foundations, or other people would put them just in terms of caring about government interference — it seems very plausible that you could’ve had the two parties reverse their position ultimately on abortion, that you could have had a Republican Party that was much more pro-choice because it was worried about government interference in people’s lives, a Democratic Party that had taken the other position for other reasons.”
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43 / preference

I think that running an organization that is entirely telecommuting is probably — I don’t want to call it easy, but it’s a lot easier than running an organization where most people are in one place, and then some significant, but not near majority percentage of them are not, because what you end up having then is dual processes, where a lot of things are built for everybody being around each other, and then the people who are not around everyone else are at somewhat of a disadvantage.

“I think that running an organization that is entirely telecommuting is probably — I don’t want to call it easy, but it’s a lot easier than running an organization where most people are in one place, and then some significant, but not near majority percentage of them are not, because what you end up having then is dual processes, where a lot of things are built for everybody being around each other, and then the people who are not around everyone else are at somewhat of a disadvantage.”
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44 / evaluation

I am not sure that I think the right way to measure what polarization does, at any level, is policy divergence, and here’s why: To a first approximation, what I think polarization tends to do is make it harder to pass anything because most of the American political system, both at the state and the national level, is built on requiring reasonably high levels of compromise to work.

“I am not sure that I think the right way to measure what polarization does, at any level, is policy divergence, and here’s why: To a first approximation, what I think polarization tends to do is make it harder to pass anything because most of the American political system, both at the state and the national level, is built on requiring reasonably high levels of compromise to work.”
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45 / prediction

I also know, at the same time, that the way that Johnson was covered on the BBC has created incredible levels of anger on the UK left, which is probably weakening the BBC’s hold on that constituency as well. So I suspect that the BBC is both subject to the same competitive dynamics as you’re seeing here — although it starts from a place of more power in centralization and funding than PBS does here, than NPR does here — and then secondarily, is in a more intense form of its political vise than those players are here, in part because it’s more important, and so there’s more margin for different political players in attacking or weakening it.

“I also know, at the same time, that the way that Johnson was covered on the BBC has created incredible levels of anger on the UK left, which is probably weakening the BBC’s hold on that constituency as well. So I suspect that the BBC is both subject to the same competitive dynamics as you’re seeing here — although it starts from a place of more power in centralization and funding than PBS does here, than NPR does here — and then secondarily, is in a more intense form of its political vise than those players are here, in part because it’s more important, and so there’s more margin for different political players in attacking or weakening it.”
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46 / recommendation

I will say that Fintan O’Toole just wrote a book called The Politics of Pain that I thought was really remarkably sharp on this, and as an analysis of the British psyche was one of the most convincing things I’ve read, making an argument, going way back in Britain’s history, that there’s a deep, unresolved set of psychic questions around Britain won WWII, and then somehow feels like it lost the piece that it deserved to, if not own Europe, then be understood as a savior of Europe in an ongoing way.

“I will say that Fintan O’Toole just wrote a book called The Politics of Pain that I thought was really remarkably sharp on this, and as an analysis of the British psyche was one of the most convincing things I’ve read, making an argument, going way back in Britain’s history, that there’s a deep, unresolved set of psychic questions around Britain won WWII, and then somehow feels like it lost the piece that it deserved to, if not own Europe, then be understood as a savior of Europe in an ongoing way.”
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47 / evaluation

I had to go through a lot of different drafts, and a lot of reporting, and a lot of reading on that chapter to come up with something that I found convincing, but asymmetric polarization was a very big part of my story of American politics, and recognizing how undertheorized it was in my head was striking. So, I think that writing a book — it forces you to pull forward things that you might assume are pretty settled because some level of intuition, or value, or just hearing other people talk about it has made you think it is more sure than it is.

“I had to go through a lot of different drafts, and a lot of reporting, and a lot of reading on that chapter to come up with something that I found convincing, but asymmetric polarization was a very big part of my story of American politics, and recognizing how undertheorized it was in my head was striking. So, I think that writing a book — it forces you to pull forward things that you might assume are pretty settled because some level of intuition, or value, or just hearing other people talk about it has made you think it is more sure than it is.”
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50 / belief

The particular ideology he has, there are these long things, debates about whether the media is liberal or it’s conservative, and I tend to think they miss a lot of nuance on it, but what the media really is, is not committed to single-payer, but committed to diversity, to pluralism, to tolerance, to things that I think of as more cosmopolitan values than particularly liberal values, or at least liberal in the contemporary political sense of values.

“The particular ideology he has, there are these long things, debates about whether the media is liberal or it’s conservative, and I tend to think they miss a lot of nuance on it, but what the media really is, is not committed to single-payer, but committed to diversity, to pluralism, to tolerance, to things that I think of as more cosmopolitan values than particularly liberal values, or at least liberal in the contemporary political sense of values.”
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51 / belief

VR and AR, from what I know of those — and again this will all get cheaper over time — my sense there too is you’re going to have a pretty big advantage for organizations able to afford what are increasingly real studios, which the New York Times did not have to have a studio in 1996. And then when I was trying to in some way compete with a New York Times op-ed column as a blogger — which is not how I saw it, but I think in some way what was going on — everything was flattening there.

“VR and AR, from what I know of those — and again this will all get cheaper over time — my sense there too is you’re going to have a pretty big advantage for organizations able to afford what are increasingly real studios, which the New York Times did not have to have a studio in 1996. And then when I was trying to in some way compete with a New York Times op-ed column as a blogger — which is not how I saw it, but I think in some way what was going on — everything was flattening there.”
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53 / belief

I think you’re actually somewhat mistaken about the underlying mechanism. The big change from 10 years ago, 15 years ago, in the story you just gave wasn’t really video, it was the possibility of virality.

“I think you’re actually somewhat mistaken about the underlying mechanism. The big change from 10 years ago, 15 years ago, in the story you just gave wasn’t really video, it was the possibility of virality.”
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55 / belief

Eating more plants and keeping fewer animals in conditions so terrible that we can’t actually bear to watch them and have had to pass laws so people stop trying to make us see them, I think that lends a fair bet.

“Eating more plants and keeping fewer animals in conditions so terrible that we can’t actually bear to watch them and have had to pass laws so people stop trying to make us see them, I think that lends a fair bet.”
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56 / belief

Biden’s role in a lot of that was to act as the counterweight in a way that’s very socially uncomfortable and is related to Joe Biden’s very particular set of skills which may not have been — are not always adaptive, but I think are adaptive in that particular circumstance.

“Biden’s role in a lot of that was to act as the counterweight in a way that’s very socially uncomfortable and is related to Joe Biden’s very particular set of skills which may not have been — are not always adaptive, but I think are adaptive in that particular circumstance.”
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57 / belief

Things that often seem mysterious to me about why a firm didn’t just swoop in and take this market opportunity seem a lot less mysterious to me now that I’ve been in a big one and been able to see that from a lot of different vantage points at the Washington Post, and that was a firm that I think has been very successful in changing and evolving and transforming.

“Things that often seem mysterious to me about why a firm didn’t just swoop in and take this market opportunity seem a lot less mysterious to me now that I’ve been in a big one and been able to see that from a lot of different vantage points at the Washington Post, and that was a firm that I think has been very successful in changing and evolving and transforming.”
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58 / belief

From blogging, and I think I was reasonably early on in figuring out how to merge a lot of new blogging with traditional journalism skills at the American Prospect.

“From blogging, and I think I was reasonably early on in figuring out how to merge a lot of new blogging with traditional journalism skills at the American Prospect.”
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59 / belief

Then I think we’ve seen sites like Breitbart and IJR, Independent Journal Review, were able to take a form of soft-to-hard cultural conservatism and using almost the exact same techniques send those super-viral as well.

“Then I think we’ve seen sites like Breitbart and IJR, Independent Journal Review, were able to take a form of soft-to-hard cultural conservatism and using almost the exact same techniques send those super-viral as well.”
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60 / belief

You can have a lot of subject-specific knowledge, but if you are not presenting a certain way, there is probably a widening penalty to that, in a way, again, that I think is probably negative.

“You can have a lot of subject-specific knowledge, but if you are not presenting a certain way, there is probably a widening penalty to that, in a way, again, that I think is probably negative.”
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61 / belief

I think there’s a lot of shaming in the media about what opinions you can and cannot hold about whether Muslims should be able to come to the US, or what you can and can’t say about Mexican immigrants, or African Americans, or for that matter, by the way, white people.

“I think there’s a lot of shaming in the media about what opinions you can and cannot hold about whether Muslims should be able to come to the US, or what you can and can’t say about Mexican immigrants, or African Americans, or for that matter, by the way, white people.”
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66 / preference

The thing that honestly decides whether or not I have a good, effective day, where I feel like I got things, or whether I just wasted a bunch of time, was whether in the morning, I wrote down what I thought I had to get done that day, and throughout the day, was rigorous about putting the little tasks that come up onto that same list and then checking them off.

“The thing that honestly decides whether or not I have a good, effective day, where I feel like I got things, or whether I just wasted a bunch of time, was whether in the morning, I wrote down what I thought I had to get done that day, and throughout the day, was rigorous about putting the little tasks that come up onto that same list and then checking them off.”
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67 / evaluation

What you would want is something that begins to tamp down on the collective action issue of every CEO needing to be paid more than every other CEO simply in order to prove they’re a good CEO, because it’s become a status symbol.

“What you would want is something that begins to tamp down on the collective action issue of every CEO needing to be paid more than every other CEO simply in order to prove they’re a good CEO, because it’s become a status symbol.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

68 / evaluation

I will say, though, that even as someone who I think in contemporary American politics falls more on the center-left side of the spectrum, I have always found the amount of corporate social responsibility stuff to be a little puzzling.

“I will say, though, that even as someone who I think in contemporary American politics falls more on the center-left side of the spectrum, I have always found the amount of corporate social responsibility stuff to be a little puzzling.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

69 / evaluation

I thought what National Review did around Trump was very much — I don’t know that it would have happened at a place that didn’t have as clear an internal character as what Buckley gave that institution.

“I thought what National Review did around Trump was very much — I don’t know that it would have happened at a place that didn’t have as clear an internal character as what Buckley gave that institution.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

70 / prediction

I’m not a political optimist, I don’t think we’re going to pass a bunch of laws that are going to change this, but I think that we will see technologies change it.

“I’m not a political optimist, I don’t think we’re going to pass a bunch of laws that are going to change this, but I think that we will see technologies change it.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

71 / prediction

I think you probably have a lot of what I would think of as sort of where news is now — a lot of conflict but conflict in a space of discomfort, conflict in a space of safe outrage, conflict in a space of you think you’re right and the other person is wrong, not necessarily a move towards actual cheeriness.

“I think you probably have a lot of what I would think of as sort of where news is now — a lot of conflict but conflict in a space of discomfort, conflict in a space of safe outrage, conflict in a space of you think you’re right and the other person is wrong, not necessarily a move towards actual cheeriness.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

72 / evaluation

The reason Vox’s video is great, and I have no compunction saying it’s great because I don’t have all that much to do with it, is because Joe, and Joss Fong, and the rest of that team, they really think about video as its own form in a very different way than I had before.

“The reason Vox’s video is great, and I have no compunction saying it’s great because I don’t have all that much to do with it, is because Joe, and Joss Fong, and the rest of that team, they really think about video as its own form in a very different way than I had before.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

73 / preference

Which I think if I had been creating that conversation for print, I would have felt embarrassed or strange ending up that personal, but podcasting, because of the way people listen to it as a secondary activity, almost as a conversation they are part of, without having to participate in while they’re doing something else.

“Which I think if I had been creating that conversation for print, I would have felt embarrassed or strange ending up that personal, but podcasting, because of the way people listen to it as a secondary activity, almost as a conversation they are part of, without having to participate in while they’re doing something else.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

74 / prediction

, will be a genuine moral blight on this era. And particularly on this era, because we’re at this point now where we’re beginning to get very, very good at creating plant-based meats, and increasingly we’re moving towards lab-grown meats.

“, will be a genuine moral blight on this era. And particularly on this era, because we’re at this point now where we’re beginning to get very, very good at creating plant-based meats, and increasingly we’re moving towards lab-grown meats.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler

75 / evaluation

I would say — and I’d be curious for your thoughts on this, because I do think underneath this question, you have a theory here — I have not seen a systematic difference yet that has influenced our coverage in the way that I did see it, say, when we moved to social being the distribution mechanism.

“I would say — and I’d be curious for your thoughts on this, because I do think underneath this question, you have a theory here — I have not seen a systematic difference yet that has influenced our coverage in the way that I did see it, say, when we moved to social being the distribution mechanism.”
Speaker
Ezra Klein
Publisher
Conversations with Tyler
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