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Ezra Klein: belief

19 Mar 2025 Conversations with Tyler Ezra Klein on the Abundance Agenda

“I agree with you that, in theory, should be the case, but I do think that, as you actually see it emerge from “in theory should be the case” till we figure out a way to do it, it’s going to turn out that things the federal government does are not all that like [putting] an image prompt into a thing.”

— Ezra Klein

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Ezra Klein
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belief
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19 Mar 2025
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Conversations with Tyler

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…Oh, sure, but I’m struck by how small many companies can become. Midjourney, which you’re familiar with, at the peak of its innovation was eight people. That was not mainly a story about consultants. Sam Altman says it will be possible to have billion-dollar companies run by one person. I suspect that’s two or three people, but nonetheless, that seems not so far off. It seems to me, there really ought to be significant parts of the government — by no means all — where you could have a much smaller number of people directing the AIs. It would be the same people at the top giving the orders as today, more or less, and just a lot fewer staff. I don’t see how that can’t be the case. I agree with you that, in theory, should be the case, but I do think that, as you actually see it emerge from “in theory should be the case” till we figure out a way to do it, it’s going to turn out that things the federal government does are not all that like [putting] an image prompt into a thing. It is so hard to get rid of people. Don’t you need to start with the chainsaws? Maybe the next Democratic administration rehires what’s needed over —…

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