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Carl Zimmer on the Hidden Life in the Air We Breathe

5 Mar 2025 16 published claims 2 attributable people

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evaluation 7belief 6prediction 1recommendation 1preference 1

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16 published records

03 / belief

Then in the 1600s, 1700s, there’s this group of people who say, “We think that there’s this invisible world of microorganisms” — fungi, bacteria, and so on, as they would be later known — that spread disease, not just in us, but in plants and so on.

“Then in the 1600s, 1700s, there’s this group of people who say, “We think that there’s this invisible world of microorganisms” — fungi, bacteria, and so on, as they would be later known — that spread disease, not just in us, but in plants and so on.”
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Carl Zimmer
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05 / belief

We have seen that people are certainly more than eager to jump from the basic findings of DNA to all sorts of conclusions which often serve their own interests. I think we should be on guard that we not do that again.

“We have seen that people are certainly more than eager to jump from the basic findings of DNA to all sorts of conclusions which often serve their own interests. I think we should be on guard that we not do that again.”
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Carl Zimmer
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07 / evaluation

You will certainly see some studies that may not inspire you. But I’ve looked at a lot of these studies and talked to a lot of experts, and I would say, just judging from where we are now, that’s the consensus that I described before.

“You will certainly see some studies that may not inspire you. But I’ve looked at a lot of these studies and talked to a lot of experts, and I would say, just judging from where we are now, that’s the consensus that I described before.”
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Carl Zimmer
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09 / recommendation

Ultraviolet lamps could potentially really help in certain places to make it possible to just go about our business and relax because the air around us is being disinfected.

“Ultraviolet lamps could potentially really help in certain places to make it possible to just go about our business and relax because the air around us is being disinfected.”
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Carl Zimmer
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10 / evaluation

If you run a clinical trial with poor study design or if you analyze it incorrectly, it’s not going to be as good as if you were to be taking more careful measures. So, I would say, yes, there’s certainly a debate that’s going on in the community, but certainly, in a number of reviews that have been coming out recently, the consensus is that masks do help.

“If you run a clinical trial with poor study design or if you analyze it incorrectly, it’s not going to be as good as if you were to be taking more careful measures. So, I would say, yes, there’s certainly a debate that’s going on in the community, but certainly, in a number of reviews that have been coming out recently, the consensus is that masks do help.”
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Carl Zimmer
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11 / evaluation

I argue in the book that the way that aerobiology got turned into biological warfare was quite a tragedy because this was a science that, at the time, was just getting off the ground.

“I argue in the book that the way that aerobiology got turned into biological warfare was quite a tragedy because this was a science that, at the time, was just getting off the ground.”
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Carl Zimmer
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12 / evaluation

I think public health is just a really challenging line of work just because you want to reduce death and disease by coming up with measures that are going to apply across the board to the public, and that depends on what you understand about the disease you are trying to deal with.

“I think public health is just a really challenging line of work just because you want to reduce death and disease by coming up with measures that are going to apply across the board to the public, and that depends on what you understand about the disease you are trying to deal with.”
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Carl Zimmer
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13 / evaluation

You actually have to study lots and lots and lots of people, and then, if you’re going to try to tie people’s symptoms to the environment in some way, well you’re actually going to have to track them over months, years, and so on, because the environment is changing all the time.

“You actually have to study lots and lots and lots of people, and then, if you’re going to try to tie people’s symptoms to the environment in some way, well you’re actually going to have to track them over months, years, and so on, because the environment is changing all the time.”
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Carl Zimmer
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14 / evaluation

I think that there were a lot of reasons, many different reasons for the scientific community to look away and to say, “No, this isn’t happening,” or, “It isn’t important.

“I think that there were a lot of reasons, many different reasons for the scientific community to look away and to say, “No, this isn’t happening,” or, “It isn’t important.”
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Carl Zimmer
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15 / evaluation

I think that you just have to be incredibly cautious about jumping to conclusions about it because the genome is a wild and woolly place in there, and the genome exists in environments.

“I think that you just have to be incredibly cautious about jumping to conclusions about it because the genome is a wild and woolly place in there, and the genome exists in environments.”
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Carl Zimmer
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16 / preference

Then also, if you were to take one of these carbon dioxide meters on a plane — I own one — if you take one on a plane, you’ll notice when you land, that the carbon dioxide level will go way back up again because they turn the filter system off, and you’re taxiing around on the tarmac and waiting to get out.

“Then also, if you were to take one of these carbon dioxide meters on a plane — I own one — if you take one on a plane, you’ll notice when you land, that the carbon dioxide level will go way back up again because they turn the filter system off, and you’re taxiing around on the tarmac and waiting to get out.”
Speaker
Carl Zimmer
Publisher
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