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Brett Harrison — FTX US former president speaks out

13 Mar 2023 37 published claims 2 attributable people

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01 / recommendation

And the best thing people can do is invest in sort of diversified instruments. And it is far less expensive to invest in indices now than it ever was in history because of the advent of ETFs.

“And the best thing people can do is invest in sort of diversified instruments. And it is far less expensive to invest in indices now than it ever was in history because of the advent of ETFs.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

03 / belief

I think either way, it was worth a try. And I think maybe the biggest misconception about the application was that if we got approved, it meant suddenly FTX is going to list everything from corn to soybeans to oil to SMP 500 overnight and completely, you know, destroy the existing derivatives landscape.

“I think either way, it was worth a try. And I think maybe the biggest misconception about the application was that if we got approved, it meant suddenly FTX is going to list everything from corn to soybeans to oil to SMP 500 overnight and completely, you know, destroy the existing derivatives landscape.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

04 / belief

I think you might not get a clear answer on this thing for a place like Jane Street, where the firm is really run by, like, 30 or so, you know, partners and senior employees who have, like, been there.

“I think you might not get a clear answer on this thing for a place like Jane Street, where the firm is really run by, like, 30 or so, you know, partners and senior employees who have, like, been there.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

05 / belief

You can't not go through a broker dealer. But I think that we could eventually try to get the appropriate licensing required to be an intermediary that is focused on being like a technology forward interface towards people being able to do more program trading.

“You can't not go through a broker dealer. But I think that we could eventually try to get the appropriate licensing required to be an intermediary that is focused on being like a technology forward interface towards people being able to do more program trading.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

06 / belief

I think that people in my circles were quicker to take action in the face of knowing about COVID There are a lot of people who kind of stuck around in cities and their existing particular situations not knowing kind of where this was going to head long term.

“I think that people in my circles were quicker to take action in the face of knowing about COVID There are a lot of people who kind of stuck around in cities and their existing particular situations not knowing kind of where this was going to head long term.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

07 / belief

I think a lot more differences than people appreciate from the outside. Different companies have established different niches and areas like Jane Street established its early niche and ETF at kind of like a mid frequency level.

“I think a lot more differences than people appreciate from the outside. Different companies have established different niches and areas like Jane Street established its early niche and ETF at kind of like a mid frequency level.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

09 / belief

I think if you believe if you want to question whether getting a few extra milliseconds or microseconds or nanoseconds is worth it, I think you're then putting some kind of value judgments on.

“I think if you believe if you want to question whether getting a few extra milliseconds or microseconds or nanoseconds is worth it, I think you're then putting some kind of value judgments on.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

11 / belief

I think the primary reason is that existing settlement systems in traditional markets seem to be very slow and built on very outdated technology that's like highly non transparent and very error prone.

“I think the primary reason is that existing settlement systems in traditional markets seem to be very slow and built on very outdated technology that's like highly non transparent and very error prone.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

12 / belief

We have to maybe distinguish between centralized and decentralized finance here. But I would say regulators saw FTX as at least one of the companies that was very willing to work directly and collaboratively with regulators, as opposed to trying to kind of skirt around the regulatory system.

“We have to maybe distinguish between centralized and decentralized finance here. But I would say regulators saw FTX as at least one of the companies that was very willing to work directly and collaboratively with regulators, as opposed to trying to kind of skirt around the regulatory system.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

13 / belief

I never visited the places where they lived in that Albany section of the Bahamas, so I think I didn't fully grasp the extent to which they were all living in this particular arrangement.

“I never visited the places where they lived in that Albany section of the Bahamas, so I think I didn't fully grasp the extent to which they were all living in this particular arrangement.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

14 / belief

I was on chat groups that he was in, and so occasionally he would respond to something I say on that group, but one on one conversations, I think there were fewer than ten for my entire tenure.

“I was on chat groups that he was in, and so occasionally he would respond to something I say on that group, but one on one conversations, I think there were fewer than ten for my entire tenure.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

16 / belief

I would say the United States, except what's happened is US. Companies like Nasdaq have licensed their exchange matching engine technology to other exchanges around the world.

“I would say the United States, except what's happened is US. Companies like Nasdaq have licensed their exchange matching engine technology to other exchanges around the world.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

18 / belief

I think the conventional wisdom, at least in 2009 when we applying for internships, was like, okay, I'm going to sit in the cubicle and stare at a screen for 16 hours a day.

“I think the conventional wisdom, at least in 2009 when we applying for internships, was like, okay, I'm going to sit in the cubicle and stare at a screen for 16 hours a day.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

20 / belief

If I'm going to be an optimist about this, I'd like to think that when it was like older, single or married males hoarding a large amount of wealth that for the most part, they kept it to themselves and kind of waited until later in life to do anything with it, and were the kind of people who really, like, saved their same career their whole lives, as opposed to if younger and younger generations are amassing wealth through what they can actually perform with their skills, then I think that hopefully injects more Dynamism into the distribution of that wealth later on because those millennials within like or Gen Z or whoever will go on to found new companies, and maybe they'll be able to see the company themselves, their own money, and have a lot easier time, like bringing, like, interesting new things to market.

“If I'm going to be an optimist about this, I'd like to think that when it was like older, single or married males hoarding a large amount of wealth that for the most part, they kept it to themselves and kind of waited until later in life to do anything with it, and were the kind of people who really, like, saved their same career their whole lives, as opposed to if younger and younger generations are amassing wealth through what they can actually perform with their skills, then I think that hopefully injects more Dynamism into the distribution of that wealth later on because those millennials within like or Gen Z or whoever will go on to found new companies, and maybe they'll be able to see the company themselves, their own money, and have a lot easier time, like bringing, like, interesting new things to market.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

23 / uncertainty

A lot of them might have, like, problems, to put it in that kind of language, but I don't know how many of them would make you suspect that there's, like, mental health issues or there's addiction issues that for somebody who's in charge of a multibillion dollar empire, I don't know.

“A lot of them might have, like, problems, to put it in that kind of language, but I don't know how many of them would make you suspect that there's, like, mental health issues or there's addiction issues that for somebody who's in charge of a multibillion dollar empire, I don't know.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

27 / belief

A healthy amount of cross pollination would be good for both where I think a lot of trading firms are doing the exact same thing that all the other trading firms have done and some healthy injection of creativity into.

“A healthy amount of cross pollination would be good for both where I think a lot of trading firms are doing the exact same thing that all the other trading firms have done and some healthy injection of creativity into.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

28 / preference

Yeah. So I think if you start from the premise that having liquid, tight, efficient markets is important for the world and you say, like, how do I design a system that optimizes for that?

“Yeah. So I think if you start from the premise that having liquid, tight, efficient markets is important for the world and you say, like, how do I design a system that optimizes for that?”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

29 / evaluation

Because if you're used to working on Nasdaq where Nasdaq processes like a single message in somewhere between like tens and hundreds of nanoseconds per order a blockchain, like ethereum processes what, like 15 to 50 messages per second, so significantly slower by numbers of orders of magnitude.

“Because if you're used to working on Nasdaq where Nasdaq processes like a single message in somewhere between like tens and hundreds of nanoseconds per order a blockchain, like ethereum processes what, like 15 to 50 messages per second, so significantly slower by numbers of orders of magnitude.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

30 / evaluation

Like, for example, if you had an ether futures position and also an ether spot position on this one exchange, you could get liquidated on your ether futures position even if you had enough ether spot as collateral, because you needed to have that spot crypto within the ether futures spot collateral wallet, which was different than the ether spot wallet.

“Like, for example, if you had an ether futures position and also an ether spot position on this one exchange, you could get liquidated on your ether futures position even if you had enough ether spot as collateral, because you needed to have that spot crypto within the ether futures spot collateral wallet, which was different than the ether spot wallet.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

32 / evaluation

On one hand, I think people were rowing frustrated within the company because of the lack of direction and some of like the power vacuums that resulted from Sam's continual absence.

“On one hand, I think people were rowing frustrated within the company because of the lack of direction and some of like the power vacuums that resulted from Sam's continual absence.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

33 / evaluation

It was like getting access to a direct expert who was also this famous person, who was also this billionaire, who was also this extremely well connected person, who was also this very insightful person, who knew a lot was going on in the industry and can give them insight and tips. And I think there was some amount of what I like to call like, reputation laundering going on here, where it was like, okay, so you get the famous celebrity to endorse Sam, which makes this politician think highly of Sam, because they also like that celebrity.

“It was like getting access to a direct expert who was also this famous person, who was also this billionaire, who was also this extremely well connected person, who was also this very insightful person, who knew a lot was going on in the industry and can give them insight and tips. And I think there was some amount of what I like to call like, reputation laundering going on here, where it was like, okay, so you get the famous celebrity to endorse Sam, which makes this politician think highly of Sam, because they also like that celebrity.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

35 / commitment

Knowing that I was going to leave, I started thinking what I was going to do next and thought, well, if I think I can run a company better than Sam, I should put my money where my mouth is and start a company.

“Knowing that I was going to leave, I started thinking what I was going to do next and thought, well, if I think I can run a company better than Sam, I should put my money where my mouth is and start a company.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

36 / preference

There was one really unfortunate time where it was the first time I visited the Bahamas in November of 21. And I'm the kind of person who, if I see something wrong at a company, it doesn't matter what company I've worked at or how junior or senior I've been.

“There was one really unfortunate time where it was the first time I visited the Bahamas in November of 21. And I'm the kind of person who, if I see something wrong at a company, it doesn't matter what company I've worked at or how junior or senior I've been.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

37 / prediction

Because if you know there's going to be an auction every 30 seconds, and it's not going to be by time priority, it's going you buy price, then it doesn't matter if you send that order at the beginning of the 32nd period or the end of 32nd period.

“Because if you know there's going to be an auction every 30 seconds, and it's not going to be by time priority, it's going you buy price, then it doesn't matter if you send that order at the beginning of the 32nd period or the end of 32nd period.”
Speaker
Brett Harrison
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast
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