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Microsoft CPO: If you aren’t prototyping with AI, you’re doing it wrong | Aparna Chennapragada

18 May 2025 21 published claims 2 attributable people
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01 / evaluation

That doesn't just mean chat, but it may be actually jumping on a meeting with the agent and being able to talk through all of it or point it to things that I wanted done differently. So I think all three things, the autonomy, the complexity, and the natural interaction are at least product principles that will shape really good ones, good agents.

“That doesn't just mean chat, but it may be actually jumping on a meeting with the agent and being able to talk through all of it or point it to things that I wanted done differently. So I think all three things, the autonomy, the complexity, and the natural interaction are at least product principles that will shape really good ones, good agents.”
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04 / evaluation

There's something along these lines that I've also seen you talk about, which is how to go zero-to-one with something, just a little framework for helping you know if this is the right time for this idea.

“There's something along these lines that I've also seen you talk about, which is how to go zero-to-one with something, just a little framework for helping you know if this is the right time for this idea.”
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06 / belief

I do use a lot of Microsoft products, GitHub Copilot being one of them, but I think the one that maybe I'll pick is Granola, I think, is the name of the app.

“I do use a lot of Microsoft products, GitHub Copilot being one of them, but I think the one that maybe I'll pick is Granola, I think, is the name of the app.”
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07 / belief

There's an intelligence overhang that I just see across the board. And I think the part of product development has to almost rewire ourselves to, I think, Tobi from Shopify calls it the reflexive AI usage.

“There's an intelligence overhang that I just see across the board. And I think the part of product development has to almost rewire ourselves to, I think, Tobi from Shopify calls it the reflexive AI usage.”
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11 / belief

When you think about all the folks who think about, "Hey, this is exactly how everything's going to look and this is exactly the sequence," and so on, I think there's no substitute to experientially building it.

“When you think about all the folks who think about, "Hey, this is exactly how everything's going to look and this is exactly the sequence," and so on, I think there's no substitute to experientially building it.”
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12 / evaluation

He's a master at that. And I think on Satya, I find it amazing the appetite he has for learning and fine tuning his mental models and just the zoom levels that he can operate at.

“He's a master at that. And I think on Satya, I find it amazing the appetite he has for learning and fine tuning his mental models and just the zoom levels that he can operate at.”
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13 / recommendation

If you can kind of cut against the grain and say, "No, I won't have that scar tissue around." This didn't work a few months ago and keep setting high expectations and demand more of the AI today, I think you can unlock more.

“If you can kind of cut against the grain and say, "No, I won't have that scar tissue around." This didn't work a few months ago and keep setting high expectations and demand more of the AI today, I think you can unlock more.”
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14 / recommendation

If you're not prototyping and building to see what you want to build, I think you're doing it wrong. It becomes even more important to have that territorial and taste-making at the heart of it because, otherwise, you just have a Frankenstein product.

“If you're not prototyping and building to see what you want to build, I think you're doing it wrong. It becomes even more important to have that territorial and taste-making at the heart of it because, otherwise, you just have a Frankenstein product.”
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15 / evaluation

To me, I think traditionally we've thought very consciously about GUI because the graphical interfaces are not something natural, and so they have had to be explicitly designed, but they're rigid interfaces.

“To me, I think traditionally we've thought very consciously about GUI because the graphical interfaces are not something natural, and so they have had to be explicitly designed, but they're rigid interfaces.”
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16 / recommendation

I'll start with one stark statement that I say internally and externally, and I am trying to live it is that in this day and age, if you're not prototyping and building to see what you want to build, I think you're doing it wrong.

“I'll start with one stark statement that I say internally and externally, and I am trying to live it is that in this day and age, if you're not prototyping and building to see what you want to build, I think you're doing it wrong.”
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17 / prediction

Again, the future is here, unevenly distributed, even in Microsoft I would say, but there is certainly a strong cultural momentum and shift and desire to say, "Hey, let's actually look at live demos, live prototypes, and to even communicate the ideas.

“Again, the future is here, unevenly distributed, even in Microsoft I would say, but there is certainly a strong cultural momentum and shift and desire to say, "Hey, let's actually look at live demos, live prototypes, and to even communicate the ideas.”
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18 / evaluation

You just don't get it because of this title, but there's also just unlock of latent really good ideas from smart engineers, smart user researchers, smart designers who now have this expert in their pocket to kind of round out all the other things that they're not typically skilled at to bring forward their ideas and that's amazing, I think.

“You just don't get it because of this title, but there's also just unlock of latent really good ideas from smart engineers, smart user researchers, smart designers who now have this expert in their pocket to kind of round out all the other things that they're not typically skilled at to bring forward their ideas and that's amazing, I think.”
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19 / evaluation

This is really interesting because I think people chat with all these chat bots and it just feels like this is just the way it is, but you actually are designing every element of the interaction, how much to share, but how much you're thinking, here's my plan, what do you think.

“This is really interesting because I think people chat with all these chat bots and it just feels like this is just the way it is, but you actually are designing every element of the interaction, how much to share, but how much you're thinking, here's my plan, what do you think.”
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20 / preference

" Programming is really powerful and it's the tool that gives all of the non-coders a really powerful programming ability, and I thought that was just really striking. And then the second thing that I found out super cool, I don't know if you know this, but I didn't know at least before two years ago that there are these amazing Excel championships like World Excel championships where you see folks who can do just magic.

“" Programming is really powerful and it's the tool that gives all of the non-coders a really powerful programming ability, and I thought that was just really striking. And then the second thing that I found out super cool, I don't know if you know this, but I didn't know at least before two years ago that there are these amazing Excel championships like World Excel championships where you see folks who can do just magic.”
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