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Lindy Teammate: Flo Crivello on Multiplayer Agents, Memory & Why He'd Ban the Chinese Models He Uses

14 Aug 2026 30 published claims 2 attributable people
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Flo CrivelloNathan Labenz

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belief 13recommendation 5evaluation 4preference 3commitment 2uncertainty 2prediction 1

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01 / evaluation

A red black tree is better because it takes into account the cost to balance the tree, which is it's expensive because you need to regenerate a lot of your context packets, and you you you you miss your cash when you do that.

“A red black tree is better because it takes into account the cost to balance the tree, which is it's expensive because you need to regenerate a lot of your context packets, and you you you you miss your cash when you do that.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

04 / commitment

Anthropic can't say that, and they claim, and I believe them, that this is not their intention when they do that. And I will 100% believe that because they've been so consistent for literally the founders.

“Anthropic can't say that, and they claim, and I believe them, that this is not their intention when they do that. And I will 100% believe that because they've been so consistent for literally the founders.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

05 / belief

OpenAI's retired its or on the verge of they've certainly announced, and I think maybe at this point have pulled the trigger on retiring their fine tuning product.

“OpenAI's retired its or on the verge of they've certainly announced, and I think maybe at this point have pulled the trigger on retiring their fine tuning product.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

06 / uncertainty

I don't know if you wanna share it, but do you have a ratio of not I don't mean all inference spend, like, including your customers' use cases, but, like, your own internal inference versus your payroll.

“I don't know if you wanna share it, but do you have a ratio of not I don't mean all inference spend, like, including your customers' use cases, but, like, your own internal inference versus your payroll.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

07 / belief

I found that there were interesting edge cases that I was constantly running into in my own personal export heuristic that I tried to write.

“I found that there were interesting edge cases that I was constantly running into in my own personal export heuristic that I tried to write.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

08 / belief

You have this z k proof of of of of that. So that's the kind of thing that's on my mind, and I think that's the kind of thing we're going to see exist soon in the next few years with AI native organizations.

“You have this z k proof of of of of that. So that's the kind of thing that's on my mind, and I think that's the kind of thing we're going to see exist soon in the next few years with AI native organizations.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

10 / belief

I think you might be prepared to bite a bullet on your libertarian principles when it comes to the tremendous price discrimination that we see between API prices and first party Quadmax or GPT Pro subscription prices.

“I think you might be prepared to bite a bullet on your libertarian principles when it comes to the tremendous price discrimination that we see between API prices and first party Quadmax or GPT Pro subscription prices.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

11 / belief

I guess another simple argument is that I think our frontier companies are doing just fine. That, you know, that could change perhaps at some point in time, and I you know, as the facts change, I I think our response to it, you know, might also ought to change.

“I guess another simple argument is that I think our frontier companies are doing just fine. That, you know, that could change perhaps at some point in time, and I you know, as the facts change, I I think our response to it, you know, might also ought to change.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

13 / belief

I think, eventually, with infinite resources, what I would like to do is I would like to do a LoRa per user because LoRa is actually pretty cheap to train.

“I think, eventually, with infinite resources, what I would like to do is I would like to do a LoRa per user because LoRa is actually pretty cheap to train.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

14 / belief

I think by and large, I think people are right to transform morphized models because they will, after all, trained on human tokens and always, you know, human RL and all of that stuff.

“I think by and large, I think people are right to transform morphized models because they will, after all, trained on human tokens and always, you know, human RL and all of that stuff.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

15 / belief

I I I think be ready to see more, not just from us, but I do believe the next six months are going to be about multiplayer AI and about this, like, Ironman suit.

“I I I think be ready to see more, not just from us, but I do believe the next six months are going to be about multiplayer AI and about this, like, Ironman suit.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

16 / belief

Maybe I'll let you choose the order of topics when it comes to Chinese models and what if anything should be done about them because you did recently post something, I think, quite counterintuitive given the fact that you're running your company on deep seek.

“Maybe I'll let you choose the order of topics when it comes to Chinese models and what if anything should be done about them because you did recently post something, I think, quite counterintuitive given the fact that you're running your company on deep seek.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

17 / uncertainty

One let's do one more beat on the stuff that's relatively mundane, then we can zoom out to some some real big picture considerations. But you did have, as you alluded to earlier, this highly viral post, I don't know, two months ago maybe, moving a significant part of the workload to open source models for cost saving reasons and for you don't need God to schedule your meetings reasons.

“One let's do one more beat on the stuff that's relatively mundane, then we can zoom out to some some real big picture considerations. But you did have, as you alluded to earlier, this highly viral post, I don't know, two months ago maybe, moving a significant part of the workload to open source models for cost saving reasons and for you don't need God to schedule your meetings reasons.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

18 / belief

Like, I sometimes feel like we should be publishing. Because because I think we're doing stuff that's, like, seriously state of the art, and it's quite frequently that we do stuff.

“Like, I sometimes feel like we should be publishing. Because because I think we're doing stuff that's, like, seriously state of the art, and it's quite frequently that we do stuff.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

19 / belief

I do worry when I see the picture of Sam and Dario not holding hands that if there's a if there's a picture on our tombstone, I think that might be the one.

“I do worry when I see the picture of Sam and Dario not holding hands that if there's a if there's a picture on our tombstone, I think that might be the one.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

21 / recommendation

We have found you should almost never use multiple models powering the same agent, and that we have found one exception to this rule is when you spin up new blank sub agents.

“We have found you should almost never use multiple models powering the same agent, and that we have found one exception to this rule is when you spin up new blank sub agents.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

22 / preference

Because now I'll have a more parody kind of choice between I could try to go hire a human or I could plug in an AI, and that's gonna be easier in a lot of ways.

“Because now I'll have a more parody kind of choice between I could try to go hire a human or I could plug in an AI, and that's gonna be easier in a lot of ways.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

23 / evaluation

am a little more sympathetic, I think, off the top to the argument that there was some massive reappropriation of human knowledge that is upstream of all AI.

“am a little more sympathetic, I think, off the top to the argument that there was some massive reappropriation of human knowledge that is upstream of all AI.”
Speaker
Nathan Labenz
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

24 / prediction

They are more and more working on the thing that is working on the thing. And more and more, what we do is, like, we we're setting up this machine, which is the company, which which just increasingly operates itself and and increasingly will more and more like you know, I like to think of it as, like, first, you become a manager of ACs, then you become, like, a director of managerials because at some point, like, the managers are gonna become gonna become AIs as well.

“They are more and more working on the thing that is working on the thing. And more and more, what we do is, like, we we're setting up this machine, which is the company, which which just increasingly operates itself and and increasingly will more and more like you know, I like to think of it as, like, first, you become a manager of ACs, then you become, like, a director of managerials because at some point, like, the managers are gonna become gonna become AIs as well.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

25 / evaluation

The agent was literally and so by the way, that's the other reason why it's important to have a a single agent because setup now is becoming one of the biggest costs because the biggest cost, the biggest bottleneck in any organization right now is human time and human attention.

“The agent was literally and so by the way, that's the other reason why it's important to have a a single agent because setup now is becoming one of the biggest costs because the biggest cost, the biggest bottleneck in any organization right now is human time and human attention.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

26 / evaluation

By the way, I I think, like, yes, we are making progress in mechanistic inter interoperability, but it is not it it is not yet a solved problem.

“By the way, I I think, like, yes, we are making progress in mechanistic inter interoperability, but it is not it it is not yet a solved problem.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

27 / preference

Now I'm like, anytime I have an opportunity to buy instead of build, I will do it because, like, you save so much time and there is so much more depth and thinking and design decisions that goes into these products, then you may appreciate it.

“Now I'm like, anytime I have an opportunity to buy instead of build, I will do it because, like, you save so much time and there is so much more depth and thinking and design decisions that goes into these products, then you may appreciate it.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

28 / preference

Like, this is not, an absolute statement, but most of the time, that's the case. And I actually think that humans, like, intuitively find themselves biased towards very, very multi agent system, like far more multi agents than is optimal because the the entrepreneur facing a little bit too much, and they're comparing a little bit too much to human organizations.

“Like, this is not, an absolute statement, but most of the time, that's the case. And I actually think that humans, like, intuitively find themselves biased towards very, very multi agent system, like far more multi agents than is optimal because the the entrepreneur facing a little bit too much, and they're comparing a little bit too much to human organizations.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

29 / recommendation

The difference between spending spending, like, a thousand dollars or $50,000. So, Noah, I think open source models are, like, a required part of the stack right now for for anyone who's, like, seriously building and operating AI agents.

“The difference between spending spending, like, a thousand dollars or $50,000. So, Noah, I think open source models are, like, a required part of the stack right now for for anyone who's, like, seriously building and operating AI agents.”
Speaker
Flo Crivello
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution
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