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Confronting the Intelligence Curse, w/ Luke Drago of Workshop Labs, from the FLI Podcast

1 Jan 2026 21 published claims 1 attributable person

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01 / recommendation

It is not on accident that these things are happening concurrently. And I think one of the things you should be wary of is arguments that we're going to centralize all power in the hands of a couple of actors.

“It is not on accident that these things are happening concurrently. And I think one of the things you should be wary of is arguments that we're going to centralize all power in the hands of a couple of actors.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

03 / belief

Paralegals are a different story. And I think like entry level law work is an interesting one here because of course, your first year lawyers who've just been hired, their job is mostly grunt work.

“Paralegals are a different story. And I think like entry level law work is an interesting one here because of course, your first year lawyers who've just been hired, their job is mostly grunt work.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

05 / belief

You know, if everyone's using like GBT-7 and they're calling that thing in to do all of their judge work, then whatever flaw exists in GBT-7, that's now your judge. And I think my concern isn't just have we automated the task, but with what information are we automating it.

“You know, if everyone's using like GBT-7 and they're calling that thing in to do all of their judge work, then whatever flaw exists in GBT-7, that's now your judge. And I think my concern isn't just have we automated the task, but with what information are we automating it.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

06 / belief

We're trying to build the thing that's pointed outwards that so many people are trying to take your job or take you out of the economy and we think we can build tools to keep you in it. And I think if we're right, that could be one of the largest markets in history because if you are building the tools that help keep people involved, people are going to want to be involved.

“We're trying to build the thing that's pointed outwards that so many people are trying to take your job or take you out of the economy and we think we can build tools to keep you in it. And I think if we're right, that could be one of the largest markets in history because if you are building the tools that help keep people involved, people are going to want to be involved.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

08 / belief

We are moving towards, if we can win, we're moving towards a more specialized economy. And I think no matter what happens, if that's the winning play, I think you should take it.

“We are moving towards, if we can win, we're moving towards a more specialized economy. And I think no matter what happens, if that's the winning play, I think you should take it.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

09 / belief

Washington deciding to step down, becoming the great Cincinnatus and not making himself king is one obvious example here, where a leader looked at the incentives, looked at the ability for them to gain power and said no. And oftentimes, I think one of the ways to reconcile like structural views of history and great man views of history is that these structural forces set up the incentives.

“Washington deciding to step down, becoming the great Cincinnatus and not making himself king is one obvious example here, where a leader looked at the incentives, looked at the ability for them to gain power and said no. And oftentimes, I think one of the ways to reconcile like structural views of history and great man views of history is that these structural forces set up the incentives.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

11 / belief

If we're going to build it, and I'm not saying that we do, but if we're going to build it, you should make sure that it's safe. And I think there's been this long-running argument in the AI safety space that doing this is not possible or a waste of time.

“If we're going to build it, and I'm not saying that we do, but if we're going to build it, you should make sure that it's safe. And I think there's been this long-running argument in the AI safety space that doing this is not possible or a waste of time.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

12 / preference

But even still, if you're searching something on Google and you type in something, you can see which things are ads. This should be really obvious, because of course, I happen to believe in what we're building is that these things should be loyal to your interests, that OpenAI or Anthropic or us, that we shouldn't sign some sort of a deal and then disguise or nefariously let you know, hey, by the way, have this hotel you should be looking at.

“But even still, if you're searching something on Google and you type in something, you can see which things are ads. This should be really obvious, because of course, I happen to believe in what we're building is that these things should be loyal to your interests, that OpenAI or Anthropic or us, that we shouldn't sign some sort of a deal and then disguise or nefariously let you know, hey, by the way, have this hotel you should be looking at.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

13 / evaluation

This is part of the arms race, and it's why we are laser-focused on delivering models that aren't just like kind of okay and private, but are better at your existing work than an off-the-shelf model because of the data that they have.

“This is part of the arms race, and it's why we are laser-focused on delivering models that aren't just like kind of okay and private, but are better at your existing work than an off-the-shelf model because of the data that they have.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

14 / prediction

I think the outcome I'm excited by is 1 where AI shifts the direction away from extremely large companies, because look, candidly, a lot of those tasks are automatable today, but Humans retain this advantage or are able to put to use their existing advantages with that embodied experience and are able to train models that can help them compete much faster and better, creating an explosion of small companies and small enterprises that really understand what's going on locally and ultimately help break that efficiency gap we usually see where large companies are more efficient because of their scale, because we can put so much intelligence to work for the average person.

“I think the outcome I'm excited by is 1 where AI shifts the direction away from extremely large companies, because look, candidly, a lot of those tasks are automatable today, but Humans retain this advantage or are able to put to use their existing advantages with that embodied experience and are able to train models that can help them compete much faster and better, creating an explosion of small companies and small enterprises that really understand what's going on locally and ultimately help break that efficiency gap we usually see where large companies are more efficient because of their scale, because we can put so much intelligence to work for the average person.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

15 / evaluation

It's still his work going in and his work going out. And because of this new medium that he's using, it's been one of the best examples I've seen of an artist fully embracing new technology while still maintaining their own distinct style and taste.

“It's still his work going in and his work going out. And because of this new medium that he's using, it's been one of the best examples I've seen of an artist fully embracing new technology while still maintaining their own distinct style and taste.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

16 / evaluation

That's really hard to digitize, not because it's impossible to digitize, but because it's hard to know where to get it, because you have it. And second, local information, the kind of things that you see around you, the opportunities that you can spot because you are an embodied person with access to real-time information about everything in your sphere.

“That's really hard to digitize, not because it's impossible to digitize, but because it's hard to know where to get it, because you have it. And second, local information, the kind of things that you see around you, the opportunities that you can spot because you are an embodied person with access to real-time information about everything in your sphere.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

18 / recommendation

I think if you're taking AI safety seriously, you're going to have to focus on making open weights models safe because open weights models are going to be a reality and they're going to be quite powerful.

“I think if you're taking AI safety seriously, you're going to have to focus on making open weights models safe because open weights models are going to be a reality and they're going to be quite powerful.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

19 / recommendation

Now we'll talk about, I presume we're getting the pyramid replacement here. And I think there are some things I really want to look at as well include like rising unemployment rates, especially among like your earliest age brackets right there that are just entering the workforce.

“Now we'll talk about, I presume we're getting the pyramid replacement here. And I think there are some things I really want to look at as well include like rising unemployment rates, especially among like your earliest age brackets right there that are just entering the workforce.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

20 / prediction

Obviously, during the Industrial Revolution, there were lots of concerns that replacing and automating large parts of physical labor would result in a world in which people didn't matter. But I think the actual outcome was a bit different because, of course, There isn't a machine that was produced in the Industrial Revolution that completely automated human thinking and our ability that's kept us at the top of the food chain.

“Obviously, during the Industrial Revolution, there were lots of concerns that replacing and automating large parts of physical labor would result in a world in which people didn't matter. But I think the actual outcome was a bit different because, of course, There isn't a machine that was produced in the Industrial Revolution that completely automated human thinking and our ability that's kept us at the top of the food chain.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution

21 / recommendation

If you are someone who thinks doom is really likely, the best thing to do is not like continue to evaluate the model to see if we're getting closer, because if we're getting closer, we're going to actually have to do something about it.

“If you are someone who thinks doom is really likely, the best thing to do is not like continue to evaluate the model to see if we're getting closer, because if we're getting closer, we're going to actually have to do something about it.”
Speaker
Luke Drago
Publisher
The Cognitive Revolution
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