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Jackie Bavaro on getting better at product strategy, what exactly is strategy, PM pitfalls to avoid, advancing your career, getting into management, and much more

16 Jun 2022 21 published claims 1 attributable person
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Lenny Rachitsky

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03 / evaluation

I love to ask, you know, tell me about a recent project that you're proud of. I feel like that a lot of interviews don't give people enough chance to shine, right?

“I love to ask, you know, tell me about a recent project that you're proud of. I feel like that a lot of interviews don't give people enough chance to shine, right?”
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04 / evaluation

talking about and we were each going to go around the room and talk about like which of the five pricing models did we think was best and i think i was like number three it's most was like number two and then our ceo gets and he's like i think really number four is the only reasonable one for these reasons and i was just like i agree i've changed my mind like you're right great i just saw it in a way that i hadn't seen and so just like hearing that it's like this accumulation of experiences i think matters so much for so many for strategy for data analysis all of these things were like Like I'm really, really good at data analysis, but only because I've seen so many experiments that I when I see a set of results, I like can just instantly remember like four similar experiments and like what the conclusion was and what went wrong with it.

“talking about and we were each going to go around the room and talk about like which of the five pricing models did we think was best and i think i was like number three it's most was like number two and then our ceo gets and he's like i think really number four is the only reasonable one for these reasons and i was just like i agree i've changed my mind like you're right great i just saw it in a way that i hadn't seen and so just like hearing that it's like this accumulation of experiences i think matters so much for so many for strategy for data analysis all of these things were like Like I'm really, really good at data analysis, but only because I've seen so many experiments that I when I see a set of results, I like can just instantly remember like four similar experiments and like what the conclusion was and what went wrong with it.”
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05 / preference

Yeah, I'm not sure that I've exited the KPM career path. I really like working in offices with people.

“Yeah, I'm not sure that I've exited the KPM career path. I really like working in offices with people.”
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06 / preference

I love Helen Rosner at Hells, H-E-L-S. She's a food writer for the New Yorker, but it's a lot deeper than food.

“I love Helen Rosner at Hells, H-E-L-S. She's a food writer for the New Yorker, but it's a lot deeper than food.”
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07 / preference

If I'm willing to tell it to a friend of a friend, I have to be willing to like put that out on the internet and share that with everyone because we really want to level the playing field and we don't want to make things more unfair.

“If I'm willing to tell it to a friend of a friend, I have to be willing to like put that out on the internet and share that with everyone because we really want to level the playing field and we don't want to make things more unfair.”
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09 / evaluation

Because so much of the time, I think the reason that success as a PM is hard is because you get a gazillion pieces of feedback.

“Because so much of the time, I think the reason that success as a PM is hard is because you get a gazillion pieces of feedback.”
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10 / preference

And I worked with her for several months. But then once that was gone, then I did start to find that personally, I would make things bigger when I had a coach because I had something that I knew how to solve on my own.

“And I worked with her for several months. But then once that was gone, then I did start to find that personally, I would make things bigger when I had a coach because I had something that I knew how to solve on my own.”
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11 / preference

You can use it across your phone and your computer for like when you want to like sit down and browse. But I find that like I really enjoy just browsing recipes and a lot of them I'll never cook.

“You can use it across your phone and your computer for like when you want to like sit down and browse. But I find that like I really enjoy just browsing recipes and a lot of them I'll never cook.”
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12 / evaluation

pen our office. So I really felt like, I was getting a lot of personal growth and I was getting an opportunity to learn things that I wouldn't have that opportunity anywhere else because of my sort of background and my deep like knowledge of this product that I was able to be exposed to this and have these responsibilities.

“pen our office. So I really felt like, I was getting a lot of personal growth and I was getting an opportunity to learn things that I wouldn't have that opportunity anywhere else because of my sort of background and my deep like knowledge of this product that I was able to be exposed to this and have these responsibilities.”
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13 / commitment

Our company lost $50 million and we couldn't get it back. But then you want to say like, okay, but what I learned from that is now I need to always run a load test on a staging server constantly.

“Our company lost $50 million and we couldn't get it back. But then you want to say like, okay, but what I learned from that is now I need to always run a load test on a staging server constantly.”
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14 / belief

Nice. Yeah, I think as a manager, you usually have a reason for hiring someone. And usually, at least in your head, you think you've hired them to sort of build on the strategy that you've already created.

“Nice. Yeah, I think as a manager, you usually have a reason for hiring someone. And usually, at least in your head, you think you've hired them to sort of build on the strategy that you've already created.”
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15 / belief

I learned a lot of good strategy there. I think I got a really good foundation for a lot of the rest of my career.

“I learned a lot of good strategy there. I think I got a really good foundation for a lot of the rest of my career.”
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16 / belief

Like, yes, I think we could test this design with users and just see what's different with two weeks of saying yes to people instead of no. And I realized that this like protectiveness and like lockdownness that I had really wasn't something I needed and wasn't something that was serving me because it meant that I couldn't have real collaboration with the other people around me.

“Like, yes, I think we could test this design with users and just see what's different with two weeks of saying yes to people instead of no. And I realized that this like protectiveness and like lockdownness that I had really wasn't something I needed and wasn't something that was serving me because it meant that I couldn't have real collaboration with the other people around me.”
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17 / belief

Some of the companies have changed their interview processes. So I think that could be a lot of fun to get that more up to date.

“Some of the companies have changed their interview processes. So I think that could be a lot of fun to get that more up to date.”
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18 / recommendation

If you're going to earn your right to move up and take on more responsibility, get promoted on all kinds of stuff. And so I love that so much of it is just like, just do the work, just like be quiet, do the work.

“If you're going to earn your right to move up and take on more responsibility, get promoted on all kinds of stuff. And so I love that so much of it is just like, just do the work, just like be quiet, do the work.”
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19 / evaluation

I love that because a lot of PMs come in and they're like, oh, strategy, I'm going to figure everything out.

“I love that because a lot of PMs come in and they're like, oh, strategy, I'm going to figure everything out.”
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21 / evaluation

I love that book. That was really transformative for me when I read it many years ago and I still use a couple of those points.

“I love that book. That was really transformative for me when I read it many years ago and I still use a couple of those points.”
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