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…Okay, okay, cool. And then, okay, so you have this coach. What kind of impact have you seen from just having a coach? Something that a lot of PMs ask me about is just like, should I get a coach? How do I find a coach? I guess just roughly your experience been with a coach and then any advice for folks thinking about getting a coach? Yeah. So there's sort of two different models I've seen people. Some people like to have a coach all the time and that's a person that they can go to and they can explore their ideas and their feelings and how they're like just bounce ideas off of all the time. Have this person who isn't in any way related to like going to be the person who evaluates them later on so they can be totally honest with them. For me, I find it's better to have a coach when I have a specific thing I want to work on. I tend to be a little bit like results oriented, action oriented, and I don't like to like just show up and be like, so what are we talking about today? Or like make something up. So I talked to this coach to sort of deal with this issue of like, how do I not shut people down? And how do I still be a good PM if I'm not saying no to people all the time? But I did. And I worked with her for several months. But then once that was gone, then I did start to find that personally, I would make things bigger when I had a coach because I had something that I knew how to solve on my own. And I'd like bring it to the coach. And then all of a sudden, it felt like it was a big deal rather than a little deal. So I've gone in and out of coaching, but I do it when I have a thing that I want to work on. So going back to Asana, you were there for eight years. What kept you there for that long? And then how did you know that it was time to move on?…

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