Dan Hendrycks: belief

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…Yeah. I I I think he's a fan of this kind of Frestonian non steady state equilibrium. So so apparently, it's not a simple case of the second law of thermodynamics in a in a closed system. It's an open system with boundaries where you see the emergence of these things that share information through synchrony because they can't physically merge into each other. But if you think about it, that is actually a very kind of chaotic, unpredictable thing. And so it's not a simple case of it's a thing which increases in complexity. But, just to be clear, though, on on your moral position, when I spoke with Eliezer and and Conor, I got the impression that they were quite humanistic. So that, you know, Eliezer said, I want to preserve, you know, human consciousness and and experience, and that there's something very special about humanity. And therefore, I don't want us to be replaced by cyborgs and machines and AI algorithms. Would you roughly agree with that? I think that, any of these sorts of, like, cyborg type things. You can postpone those sorts of discussions. This is in the superintelligence strategy. What to do about AI rights? What to do about some of these this posthumanism stuff? Just, no. Like, you can, you can you can have discussions about, like, substantial human augmentation and things like that at a different time. I think having humanity survive in the next few decades is more the objective. Maybe you postpone that discussion 500 years from now or something for these cyborg humans or human uploads or whatever. So I'm not saying that like I mean, so I I have I have not I so I'd be I'd be on on team human here. I don't like shutting down debates entirely, but I think I'd postpone I I I would postpone a lot of these sorts of post For instance, this post human stuff and and I'm just sort of flailing about and speaking somewhat imprecisely just because I haven't spent as much time thinking about this in particular. But the posthuman stuff, I think that that would create some very substantial competitive pressures so that if you are really augmenting yourself and becoming not human anymore, group, groups that do that, would become much more influential and much more powerful. And the rest would be really outgunned and not have influence. So they basically need to align with that process. Or they will be left behind or no longer have resources given to them, potentially, because they wouldn't have any way of protecting themselves. So I think that that's a route that would be very reasonable to close for an extremely long time while we're just getting used to having AIs doing our bidding, provided that we survive to that point. So those are totally different discussions for a much later time. I wouldn't totally and maybe we would just keep indefinitely postponing that. But I think this sort of, oh, post humans, it's up to people's rights if they want to become cyborgs and things like that. That's, I think, in the long term equivalent to giving AIs rights or giving artificial entities rights. And that would probably give them a lot of power and ability to take over and completely outgun humans, in short order. I mean, but what do you think is going to happen to humans? I mean, I mean, 1 of my greatest fears is not so much that humans will lose their ability to think and be creative. It's that it's already happening, basically, even with with current AI. And, you know, the the core thesis of your paper, basically, is that, you know, we used to have labor, and that was the means of production. So, you know, it could be economically valuable for people to use their labor and and and to do some productive task. And now now you're saying that, actually, it's just AI chips. So chips are going to become the thing Yeah. That Well, sure. Sure. But, you know Yeah. Yeah. What happens to us, right, when the value of our labor becomes worthless? Well,…

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