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22 Sept 2024 Lenny's Podcast Becoming a super IC: Lessons from 12 years as a PM individual contributor | Tal Raviv (Product Lead at Riverside)

“We've seen the last couple years, I think you had on here Nikhyl Singhal talking about when Facebook had those really big layoffs that they were biased towards keeping individual contributor product managers.”

— Tal Raviv

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Tal Raviv
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22 Sept 2024
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Lenny's Podcast

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…Yeah. Okay, amazing. Really helpful. We've talked about this idea of super ICs, and as you mentioned, there's this been rise of and shift of flattening of orgs, as you said, of people hiring more senior product managers, there's a sense of that, and companies are expecting more of PMs just doing the work, not managing their PMs. And I feel like you're such an interesting prototypical example of the PMs people want to hire. And with AI, it's unlocking a whole new lever and opportunity for a lot of PMs where they in theory can actually achieve this thing that companies are looking for them to achieve, which is just get more done. So any just thoughts along that track of just more is expected of ICPMs, there's more need for ICPMs and AI making it easier. What have you seen there? Where do you think things might be going? We've seen the last couple years, I think you had on here Nikhyl Singhal talking about when Facebook had those really big layoffs that they were biased towards keeping individual contributor product managers. Zuckerberg talked about the flattening, and I've seen here at Riverside during that same time founders talking about how they're just really looking for, "Can we just find some really, really senior experienced people who want to stay hands-on? That would be the dream, right?" I also have heard from friends in the market, the hiring market, that there's just a lot more experienced people competing for the same IC roles as a result of all that. So I think the result of that is being at 10x PM for example is becoming more and more table stakes, especially like you mentioned with AI. That's just the tailwind for all of that. And we don't have to go too far down this track, but have you actually experienced this yourself? Have you found really interesting ways to leverage AI and become more effective?…

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