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Leopold Aschenbrenner: uncertainty

4 Jun 2024 Dwarkesh Podcast Leopold Aschenbrenner — 2027 AGI, China/US super-intelligence race, & the return of history

“I don’t know the whole situation. I certainly think conditioning vested equity on signing an NDA is pretty rough.”

— Leopold Aschenbrenner

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Speaker
Leopold Aschenbrenner
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Claim type
uncertainty
Recorded
4 Jun 2024
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

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…So it was definitely something you and others were aware of. OpenAI explicitly offered you a choice. Presumably, the person on OpenAI staff knew they were offering equity but required signing an NDA that prevents making statements about AGI and OpenAI, like the ones you’re making on this podcast. I don’t know the whole situation. I certainly think conditioning vested equity on signing an NDA is pretty rough. It might be different if it’s a severance agreement. Right, but an OpenAI employee who had signed it presumably couldn’t give the podcast you’re giving today.…

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