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Jensen Huang – TPU competition, why we should sell chips to China, & Nvidia’s supply chain moat

15 Apr 2026 17 published claims 2 attributable people

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02 / evaluation

With post-training and reinforcement learning, that entire area is just exploding. So if you want to build on an architecture, building on CUDA makes the most sense because you know the ecosystem is great.

“With post-training and reinforcement learning, that entire area is just exploding. So if you want to build on an architecture, building on CUDA makes the most sense because you know the ecosystem is great.”
Speaker
Jensen Huang
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

06 / belief

I would say my mistake is I didn’t deeply internalize that they really had no other options, that a VC would never put in $5-10 billion of investment into an AI lab with the hopes of it turning out to be Anthropic.

“I would say my mistake is I didn’t deeply internalize that they really had no other options, that a VC would never put in $5-10 billion of investment into an AI lab with the hopes of it turning out to be Anthropic.”
Speaker
Jensen Huang
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

07 / belief

I think the concern, going back to the flop difference in the hacking, is yes, they have compute, but there’s some estimates that because they’re at 7nm—they don’t have EUVs because of chip-making export controls—the amount of flops they’re able to actually produce, they have one tenth the amount of flops that the US has.

“I think the concern, going back to the flop difference in the hacking, is yes, they have compute, but there’s some estimates that because they’re at 7nm—they don’t have EUVs because of chip-making export controls—the amount of flops they’re able to actually produce, they have one tenth the amount of flops that the US has.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

08 / evaluation

But I think having a dialogue and having research dialogue is probably the safest thing to do. This is an area that is glaringly missing because of our current attitude about China as an adversary.

“But I think having a dialogue and having research dialogue is probably the safest thing to do. This is an area that is glaringly missing because of our current attitude about China as an adversary.”
Speaker
Jensen Huang
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

09 / preference

Because the customers make so much money—for example, our software engineers—if I can give them much more responsive tokens so that they’re even more productive than they are today, I would pay for it.

“Because the customers make so much money—for example, our software engineers—if I can give them much more responsive tokens so that they’re even more productive than they are today, I would pay for it.”
Speaker
Jensen Huang
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

10 / recommendation

If you want to operate it for yourself, we obviously have the ability to help you operate it yourself, like we did for Elon with xAI. And because we can enable operators in any company and any industry, you could use it to build a supercomputer for scientific research and drug discovery at Lilly.

“If you want to operate it for yourself, we obviously have the ability to help you operate it yourself, like we did for Elon with xAI. And because we can enable operators in any company and any industry, you could use it to build a supercomputer for scientific research and drug discovery at Lilly.”
Speaker
Jensen Huang
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

13 / evaluation

For example, the United States is scarce on energy, which is the reason why Nvidia has to keep advancing our architecture and do this extreme co-design so that with the few chips that we ship—with the few chips, because the amount of energy is so limited—our throughput per watt is off the charts.

“For example, the United States is scarce on energy, which is the reason why Nvidia has to keep advancing our architecture and do this extreme co-design so that with the few chips that we ship—with the few chips, because the amount of energy is so limited—our throughput per watt is off the charts.”
Speaker
Jensen Huang
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

15 / preference

I actually don’t know what I think about whether it’s good to sell chips to China or not, but I like to play devil’s advocate against my guests.

“I actually don’t know what I think about whether it’s good to sell chips to China or not, but I like to play devil’s advocate against my guests.”
Speaker
Dwarkesh Patel
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast

16 / prediction

That’s fantastic. But in a few years time, I’m making you the prediction that when we want the American tech stack, when we want American technology to be diffused around the world—out to India, out to the Middle East, out to Africa, out to Southeast Asia—when our country would like to export, because we would like to export our technology, we would like to export our standards, on that day, I want you and I to have that same conversation again.

“That’s fantastic. But in a few years time, I’m making you the prediction that when we want the American tech stack, when we want American technology to be diffused around the world—out to India, out to the Middle East, out to Africa, out to Southeast Asia—when our country would like to export, because we would like to export our technology, we would like to export our standards, on that day, I want you and I to have that same conversation again.”
Speaker
Jensen Huang
Publisher
Dwarkesh Podcast
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